You have longed for sweet peace,
And for faith to increase,
And have earnestly, fervently prayed;
But you cannot have rest,
Or be perfectly blest,
Until all on the altar is laid.
Refrain:
Is your all on the altar of sacrifice laid?
Your heart does the Spirit control?
You can only be blest,
And have peace and sweet rest,
As you yield Him your body and soul.
Would you walk with the Lord,
In the light of His word,
And have peace and contentment alway?
You must do His sweet will,
To be free from all ill,
On the altar your all you must lay.
Oh, we never can know
What the Lord will bestow
Of the blessings for which we have prayed,
Till our body and soul
He doth fully control,
And our all on the altar is laid.
Who can tell all the love
He will send from above,
And how happy our hearts will be made;
Of the fellowship sweet
We shall share at His feet,
When our all on the altar is laid.
So, if true repentance is;
(the following is from our home bible study powerpoints)
1.Choose to turn from actions that lead to death.
^^ Check
2.Surrender our self-rule.
^^ I would say "Check", but do not have a clear understanding of?
3.Call upon the Lord; confess and forsake sins.
^^ I would say "Check" except I still feel guilt, if not even more guilt towards them. Does one still feel guilt or increased guilt or should we not even be recalling the past? What I've witnessed in my life have been many testimonies where the person was in-fact not ashamed of such sins???
4.Promise to love, serve, and obey Him.
^^ I would say "Check", except my current knowledge on how to do so is limited to that of only what I've recently come to learn from Apo's, and what I had previously learned from Menno's (even though my limited Menno teachings are all under review.)
Any comment on the above?
Took a quite moment to read Romans 6 btw
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So, if true repentance is;
(the following is from our home bible study powerpoints)
1.Choose to turn from actions that lead to death.
^^ Check
2.Surrender our self-rule.
^^ I would say "Check", but do not have a clear understanding of.
3.Call upon the Lord; confess and forsake sins.
^^ I would say "Check" except I still feel guilt, if not more guilt towards them. Does one still feel guilt or increased guilt or should we not even be recalling the past?
4.Promise to love, serve, and obey Him.
^^ I would say "Check", except my current knowledge on how to do so is limited to that of only what I've recently come to learn from Apo's, and what I had previously learned from Menno's (even though my limited Menno teachings are all under review.
Any comment on the above?
Took a quite moment to read Romans 6 btw
I just want to point out that there is a difference between guilt and condemnation. The purpose of Guilt is to lead one to repentance and forgiveness. But condemnation, is when you continue to feel extreme guilt for behaviors /actions/choices in the past that you have already repented of and obtained forgiveness for.
And we are taught that there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
Oh...and I would add that surrendering self-rule is a continual life-long daily process. Was it Paul who said "I die daily"?
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“There's such a lot of different Annes in me. I sometimes think that is why I'm such a troublesome person. If I was just the one Anne it would be ever so much more comfortable, but then it wouldn't be half so interesting.”
I just want to point out that there is a difference between guilt and condemnation. The purpose of Guilt is to lead one to repentance and forgiveness. But condemnation, is when you continue to feel extreme guilt for behaviors /actions/choices in the past that you have already repented of and obtained forgiveness for.
And we are taught that there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
SO then it is that if I had truly repented, I would be with Christ. So if I still feel guilt/remorse/condemnation that I have not yet repented?
I thought I was getting so close to an understanding
So, if true repentance is;
(the following is from our home bible study powerpoints)
1.Choose to turn from actions that lead to death.
^^ Check
2.Surrender our self-rule.
^^ I would say "Check", but do not have a clear understanding of?
You surrender 'self rule' by allowing God's rule to direct your decisions. You choose what God would choose based upon his word rather than what you prefer. You choose to follow Christ.
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3.Call upon the Lord; confess and forsake sins.
^^ I would say "Check" except I still feel guilt, if not even more guilt towards them. Does one still feel guilt or increased guilt or should we not even be recalling the past? What I've witnessed in my life have been many testimonies where the person was in-fact not ashamed of such sins???
If one thinks back upon one's previous sins, one will not feel 'happy', one will often feel ashamed and 'guilty'. However, one who has had their sins forgiven by God should always keep that forgiveness in mind, and try not to dwell on one's previous guilt but rejoice in one's pardon. This does not mean forgetting completely where you came from, but it does mean acknowledging that Christ's work is supreme, rather than your past.
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4.Promise to love, serve, and obey Him.
^^ I would say "Check", except my current knowledge on how to do so is limited to that of only what I've recently come to learn from Apo's, and what I had previously learned from Menno's (even though my limited Menno teachings are all under review.)
God doesn't want you to promise to love him, he wants you to love him. don't 'resolve to love God', instead choose to love him! Prefer his ways to yours.
To love God means to keep his commandments, to prefer His ways to ours, to prefer His honour to our own, to glory in Him not in ourselves, to delight in the things of God rather than sin or worldliness or self, seeking to please Him as the highest and ultimate choice of our heart. To love God is to be devoted to Him, to follow Him, to appreciate what He has done and how good He is, to prefer His well-being to our own, His will to our own, to seek that which glorifies him as the ultimate goal of our life, to justify Him in all his decisions, to take His side against all comers (including our own flesh), to render allegiance to Him as our King.
SO then it is that if I had truly repented, I would be with Christ. So if I still feel guilt/remorse/condemnation that I have not yet repented?
I thought I was getting so close to an understanding
Have you been baptized in the name of the Lord, calling upon his name, confessing Him publicly?
Surrender your feelings to His Word. Acknowledge that your feelings are irrelevent to the supremacy of God's Declarations in the Scripture. Let God's word be true, and every man a liar.
SO then it is that if I had truly repented, I would be with Christ. So if I still feel guilt/remorse/condemnation that I have not yet repented?
I thought I was getting so close to an understanding
No, not at all. My point was that if you are feeling condemnation for something that has already been repented of / forgiven, than that condemnation is not coming from Jesus
I think you said something about reading Romans 6? The verse I quoted earlier is in Romans 8.
Oh, and in case you are wondering how you do if something has been forgiven?
8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
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“There's such a lot of different Annes in me. I sometimes think that is why I'm such a troublesome person. If I was just the one Anne it would be ever so much more comfortable, but then it wouldn't be half so interesting.”
― L.M. Montgomery, Anne of Green Gables
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