Just life away from a shepherd, from the anointing of God, the protection of the church...closing the door to heaven and opening the door to hell...
Then that is a tragic situation, Brother.
I thought perhaps you meant possibly just drawing toward another Apostolic church somewhere for a fresh start.
That doesn't usually fix anything, because the problems you are running from are usually waiting for you when you get where you are going.
Hell is going to be a hot place for men or women who pull the kind of stunt you are talking about here.
The reason God is going to have to wait until eternity to judge sin is because only then will He be able to calculate the far reaching ripple effects of sinful acts.
A man who drags his wife out of church, or vice versa, can in no way foresee the effects down the road on his children, grandchildren, and on and on.
I couldn't agree more! The quickest way to get one's head lopped off is to jump into the middle of a "domestic" uninvited!
I know this is kind of off topic, but along the same lines.
My dad was a cop. He said the most dangerous calls were the domestic ones.
He didnt mind going into a bank robbery or a shots fired call or even a fight in a bar. on those you know what the deal is going in, but a domestic fight has more levels of danger and there is no way of knowing what will happen.
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I wonder if occasionally someone wouldn't be just waiting for the pastor to ask to speak to them about their marriage? maybe they'd be too embarrassed to come on their own, but would welcome intervention if someone volunteered?
I don't really know. But I do know in my own life, I'm not likely to go to someone with any problem and say to them, "I need some help." But if someone close to me notices and says something, I'm usually willing to open up. Maybe some people would be that way with marriage problems????
But I do think that as the pastor you would want to tread lightly. Take small steps and seek God at every inch.
I think this is true for some...embarrassment and pride. I fully do understand the need of the man and woman of God treading lightly.
It seems a shame though that people with a need will run from the place and the people who can possibly help them...just my humble and single opinion...
My husband gave a man in our church who recently married some words of advice just the other day. It was unsolicited but very necessary. He doesn't usually do this but in this situation felt to and he did the right thing. It was borne out yesterday morning while I was praying with this guy and his new wife in the altar.
I felt really impressed to go pray with them so made my way through the crowd at the altar, put my arms around them both and prayed. The guy turned around after a few minutes and hugged me and thanked me and told me then and there that the pastor had talked with him on Saturday and that he knew the advice was needful. LOL. It was funny kind of knowing him and how honest he was about it.
Then his wife - newly arrived from China - turned and hugged me as well. I know that she's feeling very overwhelmed by the whole cultural change and new marriage and all ......... and her new husband. He's a "choleric" if there ever was one and she's going to have her hands full dealing with him that's for sure. LOL.
There are some situations that warrant getting involved. Like Coonskinner said it depends on the person and situation but normally you wait for the couple or husband or wife to come to you.
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I know this is kind of off topic, but along the same lines.
My dad was a cop. He said the most dangerous calls were the domestic ones.
He didnt mind going into a bank robbery or a shots fired call or even a fight in a bar. on those you know what the deal is going in, but a domestic fight has more levels of danger and there is no way of knowing what will happen.
This is so true. I work on a crisis team and when there is any trouble at all...911 and they go in with mace!
I think this is true for some...embarrassment and pride. I fully do understand the need of the man and woman of God treading lightly.
It seems a shame though that people with a need will run from the place and the people who can possibly help them...just my humble and single opinion...
I'm really going to muddy the waters here, Barb. I wonder how many times people run from those who could help them because in the past, they'd heard those same people "judge" others in similiar situations? Do we do that? Do we make unkind comments when people are having problems? Those around us hear us saying these things. And then when they get in a situation where they need our help, they don't feel free to come to us because - well, look at what we said when so-and-so was having problems. OUCH!!!
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I'm really going to muddy the waters here, Barb. I wonder how many times people run from those who could help them because in the past, they'd heard those same people "judge" others in similiar situations? Do we do that? Do we make unkind comments when people are having problems? Those around us hear us saying these things. And then when they get in a situation where they need our help, they don't feel free to come to us because - well, look at what we said when so-and-so was having problems. OUCH!!!
No muddy waters here...I sadly agree that sometimes this is the case...sometimes...
I even wrote about this once...can people ever learn to trust that we are here to bring healing and not destruction? I pray that I can be trusted to bring healing.
No muddy waters here...I sadly agree that sometimes this is the case...sometimes...
I even wrote about this once...can people ever learn to trust that we are here to bring healing and not destruction? I pray that I can be trusted to bring healing.
Barb, if I ever needed someone, you would be one of the first one I'd know I could trust with my problem. If you are the same outside of the forum as you are here (and I feel confident you are!), I'm sure that lots of people feel the same way that I do.
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Barb, if I ever needed someone, you would be one of the first one I'd know I could trust with my problem. If you are the same outside of the forum as you are here (and I feel confident you are!), I'm sure that lots of people feel the same way that I do.
That is a very nice thing to say...thank you, Sis. M...
It was unsolicited but very necessary. He doesn't usually do this but in this situation felt to and he did the right thing. It was borne out yesterday morning while I was praying with this guy and his new wife in the altar. 
He's a "choleric" if there ever was one and she's going to have her hands full dealing with him that's for sure. LOL.
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