Moving "forward"?????

[tv1a]

The anti resolution 6 crowd is the MoveOn.org of the upci. Distortions even untruths have been proprogated and have been successfully debunked. Now the last resort is using scare tactics. They can't even be completely honest in their scare tactics.

It's time I reintroduce the hypocrisy as written in the upci manual as late as 2005. There is no logical or reasonable excuse to leave one out of the outreach mix. Put this info in the forward like this and ask What's wrong with this picture? Both sections say the same thing, but one is frowned upon and the other is embraced. Can't call that conservatism. Call it legalism... Any Caiphas's out there want to tackle this one? I doubt it.

Computers and the Internet - Adopted by the General Board in 1998.
pg. 151 of the 2005 UPCI Manual.
(Emphasis mine)

One of the new technologies that has been introduced to society in recent years is known as the Internet. This innovation literally bring the entire spectrum of information available in the world into any computer screen. While much of this information is wholesome and useful, a great amount is lewd, pornographic, or dangerous. In addition, the Internet provides a forum for direct interpersonal relationships via "chat rooms" and "e-mails." Many people have been unwittingly snared into corruption by participating in these forums.

The UPCI recognizes the widespread use of the Internet among our people in the workplace and in the home may not be reversed. At the same time, the very real dangers presented must not be ignored. (It goes on to implement policies to "monitor the access and use of the Internet."

Holiness And Television Programs pg. 158 2005 UPCI Manual (emphasis mine)

It is very evident that spirituality and holiness are deeply entwined together. The scriptures teach that carnality is enmity toward God. The use of media must therefore be considered so that we do not take the beautiful truths of God into areas that will contribute to the downfall of a child of God.

The use of television in the home has become a serious concern to parents, teachers, sociologists, politicians, and religious leaders. Statistically, evidence indicates that the increase in violence, sexual immorality, and destruction of the family is in part caused by the display of these evils on television. We must strive always for a spiritual position in our living, and wisely, the United Pentecostal Church International has warned its members of the evils displayed on television programs and admonished them not to have television sets in their homes for the sake of their spiritual welfare.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Kutless

Just saying that after reading the Forward and the AGAINST side I am loosing interest in the things that UC's promote on many fronts.

Its not about churches or people its about the Big Boys club and who can out politic the other. Its about peer pressure and the preacher down the street. Look at how infiltrated TV is in the congregation.

In reference to your divorce thread I'm finding more irreconcilable differences.

That's where I am at, Bro. It's becoming harder and harder to find reasons to be even loosely tied to all of this. It's like an anchor tied around the neck in the middle of a big stormy ocean. I'm glad you caught the intended purpose of the thread.

[Kutless]

one valid point that was made by the UC's is how will we be able to tell those who came to the Lord via Television that they now must get rid of their TV?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Kutless

one valid point that was made by the UC's is how will we be able to tell those who came to the Lord via Television that they now must get rid of their TV?

LOL! Now that's a good one!

While they are out it, maybe they can explain what the difference is in watching a network show on a TV or now through a computer, phone or iPod.

[ManOfWord]

It is times just like this that I am elated that I am not associated with this organization, the chicanery that goes on inside it, the shell games and politics. I have a great admiration for the many fine people still in it and some of them are friends of mine.
The independent churches of this nation are having far more of an impact than the denominational ones are, IMO.

Peter Wagner once used the word "post-denominationalism" and I think that is where we are. I am glad to be on the cutting edge!!

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Kutless

one valid point that was made by the UC's is how will we be able to tell those who came to the Lord via Television that they now must get rid of their TV?

JESUS help us!!!! This is hilarious!!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

That's where I am at, Bro. It's becoming harder and harder to find reasons to be even loosely tied to all of this. It's like an anchor tied around the neck in the middle of a big stormy ocean. I'm glad you caught the intended purpose of the thread.

blah ...blah... blah ... blah ...

["GL"]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

...The independent churches of this nation are having far more of an impact than the denominational ones are, IMO....

How did you formulate this opinion? Do you have stats or studies to back up your opinion? If you're talking the megachurch movement, most are not preaching Acts 2:38. For many of us that believe it is the plan of salvation, we would not consider their "impact" to be one that will make an eternal difference.

I truly don't see that much of a difference between me being UPC or me being independent. If I were to go independent...

* I would not compromise my belief of the plan of salvation or preach something different that I am "not allowed" to preach currently. I'm not going to loosen up to attract more.

* I am not going to dress differently. My wife isn't going to go get a makeover. We're not going to run out and buy a tv for every room.

* I can't see how being independent would help in reaching the lost of our city. We are already passionate about reaching them.

* I would lose my current fellowship of brotherhood. I would lose some of my accountability.

Even when I disagree with the politics, I say it's better to stay. Regardless of where we go, we'll never escape politics. As long as I have brothers, I'll have people that I disagree with on some level.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by "GL"

How did you formulate this opinion? Do you have stats or studies to back up your opinion? If you're talking the megachurch movement, most are not preaching Acts 2:38. For many of us that believe it is the plan of salvation, we would not consider their "impact" to be one that will make an eternal difference.

I truly don't see that much of a difference between me being UPC or me being independent. If I were to go independent...

* I would not compromise my belief of the plan of salvation or preach something different that I am "not allowed" to preach currently. I'm not going to loosen up to attract more.

* I am not going to dress differently. My wife isn't going to go get a makeover. We're not going to run out and buy a tv for every room.

* I can't see how being independent would help in reaching the lost of our city. We are already passionate about reaching them.

* I would lose my current fellowship of brotherhood. I would lose some of my accountability.

Even when I disagree with the politics, I say it's better to stay. Regardless of where we go, we'll never escape politics. As long as I have brothers, I'll have people that I disagree with on some level.

["GL"]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

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Whatever....

Grind your axe elsewhere, Dan....

I wasn't raised in this. I was charismatic prior to coming into a UPC church. I've already been where many in the oneness movement are drifting. And I'm NOT going back...