Moses Had The Holy Spirit

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

And we all know what that means: Hell !

Lest a man be born again he shall not see the Kingdom of God. Right?

If any man have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of his. Right?

[larrylyates]

Originally Posted by Sheila

Moses is considered the greatest prophet. FULL of the holy spirit.

Yeshua Bless You

I am continuously amazed by some of the comments on this forum. It's generally best to allow scripture to speak for itself. Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by larrylyates

I am continuously amazed by some of the comments on this forum. It's generally best to allow scripture to speak for itself. Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

Yes many don't let the scritpure speak for itself, The scripture did not say no one had the spirit in the OT, we see this in the passages quoted already. The prophet said "I will pour out of my spirit on all flesh" Meaning some did have the spirit of God in times past, but now God's spirit is readily avallable to all that ask.

The OT nation of Isreal did not need to have God's spirit dwelling within them they had the spirit of God already in the middle of the nation, IE the tabernacle. Which represented the indwelling spirit of God in the individual life today.

[sbo1971]

John 7:38-39 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) KJV

Kind of hard to have something that had not been given yet.

[larrylyates]

Originally Posted by sbo1971

John 7:38-39 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) KJV

Kind of hard to have something that had not been given yet.

Pretty much lays that one to rest, doesn't it! That's what I call "Letting the Scriptures speak for themselves." Always interpret the Old in light of the New, never the other way around. That will get you into trouble every time!

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by sbo1971

John 7:38-39 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) KJV

Kind of hard to have something that had not been given yet.

And by this we find redemption without the Spirit of God indwelling a person.

[larrylyates]

Originally Posted by sbo1971

John 7:38-39 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) KJV

Kind of hard to have something that had not been given yet.

Pretty much lays that one to rest, doesn't it! That's what I call "Letting the Scriptures speak for themselves." Always interpret the Old in light of the New, never the other way around. That will get you into trouble every time!

[seekerman]

And by this we find redemption without the Spirit of God indwelling a person.

[larrylyates]

Originally Posted by seekerman

And by this we find redemption without the Spirit of God indwelling a person.

I what way is a person in any way "redemeed," without the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit which makes us New Creations. We are commanded by Jesus to receive the Holy Spirit (Jn 20:22). It is the entrance of the Spirit that brings about our regeneration.

Ezek 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Eze_36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze_36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Eze_18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

All of these verses were fulfilled in Acts 2, on the Day of Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit was poured out as prophesied by the Lord in Joel.
Joe_2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joe_2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

God says He will pour out HIS Spirit. The Bible makes it clear that there is only ONE Spirit. Paul says it is the Spirit of God/Christ.

Rom_8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

There is only one possible conclusion to arrive at: Jesus IS the One True and Living God manifest in the flesh, and in the absence of the indwelling Spirit of Christ/God, we remain dead in trespasses and sin.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by larrylyates

I what way is a person in any way "redemeed," without the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit which makes us New Creations. We are commanded by Jesus to receive the Holy Spirit (Jn 20:22). It is the entrance of the Spirit that brings about our regeneration.

Ezek 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Eze_36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze_36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Eze_18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

All of these verses were fulfilled in Acts 2, on the Day of Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit was poured out as prophesied by the Lord in Joel.
Joe_2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joe_2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

God says He will pour out HIS Spirit. The Bible makes it clear that there is only ONE Spirit. Paul says it is the Spirit of God/Christ.

Rom_8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

There is only one possible conclusion to arrive at: Jesus IS the One True and Living God manifest in the flesh, and in the absence of the indwelling Spirit of Christ/God, we remain dead in trespasses and sin.

There is only one thing which redeems and that's the blood of the Lamb of God. Only the blood. Nothing but the blood.

There are those suggesting that one must 'get' the Holy Ghost to be saved, but this Holy Ghost wasn't available before the day of Pentecost. The conclusion then is that the Old Testament saints, to whom the Holy Ghost wasn't available, aren't saved. Unless they 'got' the Holy Ghost after they died which presents quite a sticky wicket indeed.