Four Years: What Has Been Accomplished?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

HISTORY---it's easy to find---shows that 21 million jobs were created between December 1982 and June 1990. What Bush did in the 2000s was not Reaganomics. He cut taxes but he increased spending. That was not supply side. And history shows that that was his undoing. Reaganomics worked and history says so. You can't argue with the results.

These cult followers aren't able to be taught.

[odooley6985]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

HISTORY---it's easy to find---shows that 21 million jobs were created between December 1982 and June 1990. What Bush did in the 2000s was not Reaganomics. He cut taxes but he increased spending. That was not supply side. And history shows that that was his undoing. Reaganomics worked and history says so. You can't argue with the results.

And? Clinton was president when 23 million jobs were created.

[odooley6985]

Originally Posted by Originalist

These cult followers aren't able to be taught.

Really dude? You guys ignore everything. Even when the guys who helped create Reaganomics stated that they were nothing more than a trojan horse to make the rich richer. He also stated that they wouldnt work now. And you continue to ignore that fact that corporate profits are up %174 under Obama yet unemployment remains. Nothing is trickling down. What gives? All of you GOPers want corporate welfare even when it adds to the debt/deficit and does nothing for job creation. So who is being teachable?

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by odooley6985

And? Clinton was president when 23 million jobs were created.

Clinton’s policies were not working early in his tenure. The fabled Clinton recovery started under President George H.W. Bush; from January 1992 to January 1993, the H.W. Bush economy created 1.46 million jobs. Clinton’s job creation numbers only jumped after he admitted that he had raised taxes too much, proceeded to cut capital gains taxes in a major way, signed free trade acts, increased the death tax exemption, and worked with a Republican Congress to pass fiscally responsible budgets. The idea that Clinton just kept applying the same leftism in 1995 that he did in 1993 is a lie.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by odooley6985

Really dude? You guys ignore everything. Even when the guys who helped create Reaganomics stated that they were nothing more than a trojan horse to make the rich richer. He also stated that they wouldnt work now. And you continue to ignore that fact that corporate profits are up %174 under Obama yet unemployment remains. Nothing is trickling down. What gives? All of you GOPers want corporate welfare even when it adds to the debt/deficit and does nothing for job creation. So who is being teachable?

You can't argue with results. Reaganomics worked. You'd have to deny history to say it didn't. You need to ask why companies are sitting on their profits instead of hiring. Why wouldn't they want to reinvest that money to make more money? That's what their in business for, to make money. Let me help you: they're afraid to risk their profits with the constant threat that they are going to get taxed more and more, along with those at the top of the income scale. Ask yourself, "If I had an extra $10,000 but my local government says they're going to raise property taxes by $8,000, would I spend $5,000 hiring someone to remodel my kitchen?" Of course not. You would sit on your money to see if the property tax passed. It's fairly easy to understand the mentality. It's a lack of confidence in the president from corporate America.

[odooley6985]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

You can't argue with results. Reaganomics worked. You'd have to deny history to say it didn't. You need to ask why companies are sitting on their profits instead of hiring. Why wouldn't they want to reinvest that money to make more money? That's what their in business for, to make money. Let me help you: they're afraid to risk their profits with the constant threat that they are going to get taxed more and more, along with those at the top of the income scale. Ask yourself, "If I had an extra $10,000 but my local government says they're going to raise property taxes by $8,000, would I spend $5,000 hiring someone to remodel my kitchen?" Of course not. You would sit on your money to see if the property tax passed. It's fairly easy to understand the mentality. It's a lack of confidence in the president from corporate America.

Do you only care about the debt/deficit when there is a Dem in office?

[odooley6985]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

You can't argue with results. Reaganomics worked. You'd have to deny history to say it didn't. You need to ask why companies are sitting on their profits instead of hiring. Why wouldn't they want to reinvest that money to make more money? That's what their in business for, to make money. Let me help you: they're afraid to risk their profits with the constant threat that they are going to get taxed more and more, along with those at the top of the income scale. Ask yourself, "If I had an extra $10,000 but my local government says they're going to raise property taxes by $8,000, would I spend $5,000 hiring someone to remodel my kitchen?" Of course not. You would sit on your money to see if the property tax passed. It's fairly easy to understand the mentality. It's a lack of confidence in the president from corporate America.

%174. Thats how much their profits are up. Thats profit! That means business is up. What you guys cant understand is that if you put money in the middle classes hands they will spend it and spur business. But you guys just ignore demand and just think that if the rich have tons of money it will equal jobs regardless if demand is high or not. Some how the top 1% having piles of money is going to help out the 99%. Corporations are sitting on record amounts of money. The rich are sitting on record amounts of money. Where are the jobs? Why dont we just have a zero percent tax rate for the rich and the corporations and let the middle class pick up the tab. Hopefully we can eat the scraps from their table.

[odooley6985]

Also why do people ignore the fact that if you own a business small or not you have way more deductions than the average joe blow like me. And the fact that 97% of small businesses fall under 250k and well below the 400k that was passed. So who are you fighting for now?

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by odooley6985

Do you only care about the debt/deficit when there is a Dem in office?

Nope. I scolded the RNC back in 2006 with a letter telling them they would receive no more financial support from me until they stopped the spending. Stop changing the subject. Your president is burying us in debt and has not proposed ONCE a viable plan to right the financial ship.

He put together and paid for a bipartisan commission, Simpson-Bowles, to figure out a balanced approach to stop the deficit and pay down the debt. Democrats and Republicans lauded their proposals as something they could agree to. It was an opportunity to do the right thing. What did BO do? HE DISREGARDED EVERY SINGLE PROPOSAL THEY OFFERED!!!!!!!

History will not be very kind to Obama I'm afraid. It will be listed as one of the worst presidencies ever.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by odooley6985

%174. Thats how much their profits are up. Thats profit! That means business is up. What you guys cant understand is that if you put money in the middle classes hands they will spend it and spur business. But you guys just ignore demand and just think that if the rich have tons of money it will equal jobs regardless if demand is high or not. Some how the top 1% having piles of money is going to help out the 99%. Corporations are sitting on record amounts of money. The rich are sitting on record amounts of money. Where are the jobs? Why dont we just have a zero percent tax rate for the rich and the corporations and let the middle class pick up the tab. Hopefully we can eat the scraps from their table.

Do you understand how duplicitous you all are? Business is the enemy, remember? These are the bad guys---Big Government is our friend! Big Govt is the solution to our financial problems! You realize the government is spending $3.7 trillion a year???? WHERE ARE THE JOBS? Government is the big job creator right? Infrastructure---roads, tunnels, bridges---Green Energy, new technologies---"investments" in education and research---"shovel ready" jobs!!! Remember all of that rhetoric?

You're admitting (although I doubt you would admit you are) that the key to job growth in America is PRIVATE ENTERPRISE not government bureaucracy! You're admitting that government can't fuel the economy! You're saying that businesses are the key to reigniting the economy!

So why do you all demonize business and business owners? You all are double minded! You want to tax the stuffings out of the wealthy and businesses, but then you want to whine if they make money and are insecure about risking more of their money. You want to take more from hardworking entrepreneurs and people who own small businesses (70% of all jobs are created by small business) and then wonder why they don't trust this president.

What do you propose? Tax them even more? Then do what? Grow the government? Add more people to the government dole? Create more bloated bureaucracies of government workers who get to retire at 55 with the best pensions, insurance and healthcare while the rest of us have wait til 70 to retire or may never be able to retire.

It's the world turned upside down.