Is Ethnic Israel Entitled to the Land?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

From my point of view NT teaches that natural Isreal was a type of spiritual Isreal. The church. Jesus said the OT spoke of him. If we are the children of Abraham by faith, spiritual Isreal. Isreal has become the church. Then it goes to say that the land promise was also a type of the kingdom of God spiritualy.

Of course all you that believe in a coming earthly throne will not want to agree with this.

The church is the elect of this age, but never fear God will fulfill every promise made to Abraham, including the "...graphing of them back into the olive tree...." They are currently out of favor, but God's anger is not forever, "...all Israel will be saved..." Why do you think the hatred of the world is on Israel??? The focus of the world will create the opportunity for God to display His power and faithfullness. It may not be long now.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

that is one view i'm trying to understand the differences. if that logic isn't true then ethnic israel is entitled to inherit the land whether they are believers in messiah or not. is that your view?

God blinded their eyes, to the saving of the nations, He is well able to give them sight, and remove the vail from their eyes. His focus is the elect from the Gentiles for this age, but He is not finished with Israel nor His creation.

[Luke]

Ethnic Israel has rights to the land not just because of ancient prophecies but also because God gave it to them. As to weather or not you believe ancient prophecies are relevant today how can you be a pentecostal believer and not put stock in ancient prophecies such as Joel 2 ?

[Digging4Truth]

God isn't finished with Israel or anyone. All are welcome to receive salvation through the finished work of the cross.

But that is... and will remain... the only way in and only those who follow NT salvation will enter therein no matter their lineage.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Luke

Ethnic Israel has rights to the land not just because of ancient prophecies but also because God gave it to them. As to weather or not you believe ancient prophecies are relevant today how can you be a pentecostal believer and not put stock in ancient prophecies such as Joel 2 ?

Please list the particular verses you are referring to.

[Luke]

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Luke

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

That was fulfilled about 2000+ years ago wasn't it?

[Luke]

And it continues to be fulfilled everywhere some is baptized in the Holy Ghost notice Acts 2:39

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Luke

And it continues to be fulfilled everywhere some is baptized in the Holy Ghost notice Acts 2:39

How does an 2000+ year ongoing fulfillment of the infilling of the Holy Ghost to whosoever will give somebody land all of a sudden?

[Luke]

Not the point that I was making. I was simply starring that just because a prophecies is ancient does not make it void.