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02-05-2013, 01:30 PM
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Re: Drone Attacks on Americans
Ok, I'm still not getting it.
An American citizen goes to a foreign country.
Joins Al Queda.
Is in a home/building with other Al Queda terrorist.
Gets killed by a drone that strikes the building.
What exactly is wrong with this?
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02-05-2013, 01:38 PM
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Re: Drone Attacks on Americans
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Originally Posted by scotty
Ok, I'm still not getting it.
An American citizen goes to a foreign country.
Joins Al Queda.
Is in a home/building with other Al Queda terrorist.
Gets killed by a drone that strikes the building.
What exactly is wrong with this?
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The difference is the Constitution. American citizens are provided with different protections and rights than non-citizens. The government doesn't have the right to strip them of those rights without following due process EVEN if they suspect them of terrorism. Did you read the original article? This is something that gives leeway to attack on the basis of SUSPICION. They don't even have to have actual evidence.
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Originally Posted by NBCNews
A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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02-05-2013, 01:39 PM
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Re: Drone Attacks on Americans
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Originally Posted by scotty
Ok, I'm still not getting it.
An American citizen goes to a foreign country.
Joins Al Queda.
Is in a home/building with other Al Queda terrorist.
Gets killed by a drone that strikes the building.
What exactly is wrong with this?
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I don't have a problem with this. I have a problem with drones being used over our American skies to assist law enforcement. Using military war tools on the American people, is questionable and an encroachment on our freedom and Constitutional rights, IMO. We just keep moving closer to a military state.
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02-05-2013, 01:45 PM
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Re: Drone Attacks on Americans
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
The difference is the Constitution. American citizens are provided with different protections and rights than non-citizens. The government doesn't have the right to strip them of those rights without following due process EVEN if they suspect them of terrorism. Did you read the original article? This is something that gives leeway to attack on the basis of SUSPICION. They don't even have to have actual evidence.
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I have a problem with a citizen committing treason being protected under our Constitution.
Article VII, Section 2 provides that, "... treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against the United States, or any of them; and in adhering to the enemies of the United States, or any of them. The Legislature of the United States shall have power to declare the punishment of treason. No person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses."
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02-05-2013, 01:47 PM
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Re: Drone Attacks on Americans
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
The difference is the Constitution. American citizens are provided with different protections and rights than non-citizens. The government doesn't have the right to strip them of those rights without following due process EVEN if they suspect them of terrorism. Did you read the original article? This is something that gives leeway to attack on the basis of SUSPICION. They don't even have to have actual evidence.
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Then the constitution needs amending. I would say the evidence (being in association with terrorist) was clear. The act of association with terrorism makes you a traiter guilty of treason, that is punishable by death. You have two options, leave him be, or go in and get him and bring him out for trial, which as the article states would possibly cost the lives of soilders. Therefore, you kill him.
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
I don't have a problem with this. I have a problem with drones being used over our American skies to assist law enforcement. Using military war tools on the American people, is questionable and an encroachment on our freedom and Constitutional rights, IMO. We just keep moving closer to a military state.
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Now this is a different ball game altogether, if they are armed drones. If they are used for recon, I don't see the problem.
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You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
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02-05-2013, 01:48 PM
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Re: Drone Attacks on Americans
Pretty soon we'll have these roaming our skies.
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02-05-2013, 01:51 PM
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Re: Drone Attacks on Americans
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne
Pretty soon we'll have these roaming our skies.
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Then they will be wondering where that shipment of shoulder launched surface to air missles went missing to.
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You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
www.scottysweb.com
www.chrisscottonline.com
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Re: Drone Attacks on Americans
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
I have a problem with a citizen committing treason being protected under our Constitution.
Article VII, Section 2 provides that, "... treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against the United States, or any of them; and in adhering to the enemies of the United States, or any of them. The Legislature of the United States shall have power to declare the punishment of treason. No person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses."
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I have a problem with a U.S. citizen being killed on suspicion of treason without clear evidence.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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Re: Drone Attacks on Americans
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Originally Posted by scotty
Then the constitution needs amending. I would say the evidence (being in association with terrorist) was clear. The act of association with terrorism makes you a traiter guilty of treason, that is punishable by death. You have two options, leave him be, or go in and get him and bring him out for trial, which as the article states would possibly cost the lives of soilders. Therefore, you kill him.
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Now this is a different ball game altogether, if they are armed drones. If they are used for recon, I don't see the problem.
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Watching over ranchers? That just ticks me off.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#axzz2K3Xa7OJh
My father didn't need a drone to get his horses back. When a "new" neighboring rancher was holding his horses until my father paid a fine, he took his gun with him and got his horses back. 
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02-05-2013, 01:56 PM
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Re: Drone Attacks on Americans
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I have a problem with a U.S. citizen being killed on suspicion of treason without clear evidence.
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Isn't hanging out in a home with known terrorist, in a hostile country not evidence ?
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You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
www.scottysweb.com
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