The Security of the Believer

[Sheila]

Hebrews 10:38-39--Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. 39-But we are not of them that DRAW BACK UNTO PERDITION; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.---sounds like you can lose your faith and thereby lose your salvation.
Hebrews 10:18--Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.--26-For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins
1 Corinthians 3:17--If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
2 Corinthians 5:10--For we must all appear before the judgement seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done whether it be good or bad.
1 Corinthians 3:13--Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14--If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15--If any man's work shall be burnt, he shall suffer loss: BUT HE HIMSELF SHALL BE SAVED; yet so as by fire.--1 Peter 1:7,17,4:12,15
2 Peter 2:20-22
I see that if we sin again after baptism that we suffer GREAT punishments.
Yeshua Bless You

[AreYouReady?]

Great scriptures.

[seekerman]

Hebrews 10:18--Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.--26-For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins

This scripture is used a lot. My question is, how many sacrifices for sins do we have in the New Covenant?

[Luke]

I firmly stand against the doctrine of eternal security as umbilical and false!

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Romans 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Luke

I firmly stand against the doctrine of eternal security as umbilical and false!

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Romans 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

Pretty convincing to me.

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Hebrews 10:18--Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.--26-For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins

This scripture is used a lot. My question is, how many sacrifices for sins do we have in the New Covenant?

Under the terms of the New Covenant there is only ONE offering (i.e., sacrifice) for sin, and this is the shed blood of Jesus the Christ.

The words of Hebrews 10:26 is oft-times mis-interpreted to imply that should a saint of God sin "willfully," then they are hopelessly lost without means of restoration. This is because those who interpret this passage as such also use the words of the subsequent passage (verse #27) as evidence of their misguided interpretation. Simply stated, the phrase "there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins," implies that the shed blood of Christ Jesus is the ONLY effective means through which remission of sins is obtained.

While it is perfectly true that we are in Him, and in Him there is no sin, yet, "if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." (I John 1:8)

While the forgiven soul may and does occasionally commit sin and come under God's displeasure and thus needs daily renewal of the joys of salvation at the mercy seat (see the Lord's Prayer), he can never come again under the divine wrath and curse (that is, with the exception of that one who commits blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, for whom there shall never be forgiveness; an act that only one who has been endowed with the Spirit can commit).

Although God may visit our transgressions with a rod of correction, "nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him nor suffer my faithfulness to fail" (Psalm 89:33). We must not construe this to imply "eternal security," for as noted the consequences of the blasphemer against the Holy Ghost, such a term cannot be sustained as meritorious.

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by Luke

I firmly stand against the doctrine of eternal security as umbilical and false!

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Romans 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Lafon

Under the terms of the New Covenant there is only ONE offering (i.e., sacrifice) for sin, and this is the shed blood of Jesus the Christ.

The words of Hebrews 10:26 is oft-times mis-interpreted to imply that should a saint of God sin "willfully," then they are hopelessly lost without means of restoration. This is because those who interpret this passage as such also use the words of the subsequent passage (verse #27) as evidence of their misguided interpretation. Simply stated, the phrase "there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins," implies that the shed blood of Christ Jesus is the ONLY effective means through which remission of sins is obtained.

While it is perfectly true that we are in Him, and in Him there is no sin, yet, "if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." (I John 1:8)

While the forgiven soul may and does occasionally commit sin and come under God's displeasure and thus needs daily renewal of the joys of salvation at the mercy seat (see the Lord's Prayer), he can never come again under the divine wrath and curse (that is, with the exception of that one who commits blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, for whom there shall never be forgiveness; an act that only one who has been endowed with the Spirit can commit).

Although God may visit our transgressions with a rod of correction, "nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him nor suffer my faithfulness to fail" (Psalm 89:33). We must not construe this to imply "eternal security," for as noted the consequences of the blasphemer against the Holy Ghost, such a term cannot be sustained as meritorious.

I agree with much, of your post, but I do wish to look once again at this sacrifice for sin which the passage speaks of.

Hebrews 10:18--Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.--26-For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins

As scripture is pointing out, there is an offering for sin and that offering is a one time offering, not an offering every time one sins, the Lamb of God isn't offered over and over, thousands of times during the life of a child of God who is repeatedly guilty of sins of commission and omission. This one sacrifice was offered long ago and put an end to sin, according to scripture.

Heb 9:24 For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. 26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

In this fulfillment of part of Daniel 9:24, we see that the passage isn't speaking of a believer losing their salvation at the first sin they commit, but is instead speaking of the contrast between the blood of the perfect sacrifice, which put away sin, and the blood of the imperfect sacrifice which couldn't put away sin. Those who use Hebrews 10:18 as an argument against eternal security are in error and in fact is teaching exactly the complete opposite....the sufficiency of the blood of the Lamb of God which does result in the one time, eternal redemption of the child of God.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Luke

I firmly stand against the doctrine of eternal security as umbilical and false!

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Romans 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

I have a couple of questions.

1) When is one's name written in the book of life?

2) What is "overcoming"?

[MrsMcD]

This is the most confusing subject in the bible to me.