Why Do Conservatives Hate The Poor?

[Michael The Disciple]

Consider the fact also one should not spend money they do not have. A Government that is trillions of dollars in debt MUST trim its spending somehow. I believe strongly in the safety net but it can only extend itself to the limit of a balanced budget.

BTW I probably am considered poor myself so why would I hate the poor?

[Cindy]

Why do you use the word hate so much, DM?

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Cindy

Why do you use the word hate so much, DM?

is despise a better word? that is the word db used. you didn't respond to my response to your post.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

is despise a better word? that is the word db used. you didn't respond to my response to your post.

No.

And general welfare of the government is not the same as the general welfare of the people. The government is an entity, therefore general welfare of the government, is to keep the government solvent. It has nothing to do with taking care of the poor.

[deacon blues]

I give to the poor. I support charities. I could give more if I didn't pay $4,000-$5,000 a year in income taxes, thousands in SS, Medicare taxes, $3,000-$3,800 more in state sales tax. I don't hate the poor. I hate being forced to give to mostly ineffective government programs that are wasteful and top-heavy with bureaucrats and career politicians.

Liberals deceptively say that they care about the poor and needy. The truth is they create dependency. The most compassionate thing one could do for a poor person is help him find gainful employment. The greatest job creating machine is American enterprise led by entrepreneurs. We've thrown $15 trillion at government programs to end poverty for nearly 50 years and there are more poor people in America than ever.

Maybe liberals ought to consider why government efforts to lift the poor out of their poverty have been a colossal failure. Why do liberals seem oblivious to the obvious facts about the federal government's fecklessness?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

why can't governments who are made up of conscience individuals try to fulfill the biblical command? didn't god give laws to israel concerning the poor? isn't that a biblical ideal government? nations are judged as well as individuals. i think it is you that has a selective context and interpretation.

I believe it is up to me as a Christian and to us as a Church to feed the hungry, clothe the poor, heal the sick, shelter the homeless etc. It is not up to a government to redistribute the wealth. If the Church were doing her job the government would not have to have these expensive, top heavy, inefficient programs.

[Sam]

Tonight on Bill O'Reilly he gave the following figures

In the U.S. there are 66.1 million welfare recipients
and there are 21.2 government employees.

There are 109.3 privately employed people

So 109.3 people are supporting 87.3 welfare recipients and government employees.

How long can we keep this up?

[Sam]

Also, a government agency in Pennsylvania stated that it is more advantageous for a person to earn $29,000 a year than it is to earn $69,000 a year because of the government programs available to the $29,000 wage earner.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I give to the poor. I support charities. I could give more if I didn't pay $4,000-$5,000 a year in income taxes, thousands in SS, Medicare taxes, $3,000-$3,800 more in state sales tax. I don't hate the poor. I hate being forced to give to mostly ineffective government programs that are wasteful and top-heavy with bureaucrats and career politicians.

Liberals deceptively say that they care about the poor and needy. The truth is they create dependency. The most compassionate thing one could do for a poor person is help him find gainful employment. The greatest job creating machine is American enterprise led by entrepreneurs. We've thrown $15 trillion at government programs to end poverty for nearly 50 years and there are more poor people in America than ever.

Maybe liberals ought to consider why government efforts to lift the poor out of their poverty have been a colossal failure. Why do liberals seem oblivious to the obvious facts about the federal government's fecklessness?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

who is to say it is not the government's job to take care of the poor? what about christians in government that want to take care of the poor? the constitution talks about the general welfare:

The United States Constitution contains two references to "the General Welfare", one occurring in the Preamble and the other in the Taxing and Spending Clause. The U.S. Supreme Court has held the mention of the clause in the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution "has never been regarded as the source of any substantive power conferred on the Government of the United States or on any of its Departments."[2][3]
Moreover, the Supreme Court held the understanding of the General Welfare Clause contained in the Taxing and Spending Clause adheres to the construction given it by Associate Justice Joseph Story in his 1833 Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States.[4][5] Justice Story concluded that the General Welfare Clause is not a grant of general legislative power,[4][6] but a qualification on the taxing power[4][7][8] which includes within it a federal power to spend federal revenues on matters of general interest to the federal government.[4][9][10] The Court described Justice Story's view as the "Hamiltonian position",[4] as Alexander Hamilton had elaborated his view of the taxing and spending powers in his 1791 Report on Manufactures. Story, however, attributes the position's initial appearance to Thomas Jefferson, in his Opinion on the Bank of the United States.[11]
As such, these clauses in the U.S. Constitution are an atypical use of a general welfare clause, and are not considered grants of a general legislative power to the federal government.[

Have you read in depth what the Framers had to say about the General Welfare clause? Obviously not. It is clear that the General Welfare clause is confined to the few enumerated powers granted to the Federal Government by the States. Else that one clause would eclipse everything else in the Constitution.

Secondly, please study every major , big government program created to eliminate poverty. They are complete failures and only create more poverty. All of this has been tried.