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[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Originalist

You avoided my point completely. Nowhere were the people commanded by the Apostles to do it. And we don't see it mentioned as such after the dispersal of the Jerusalem church. Nowhere does the Bible condone socialism. BTW, what commune do you live with? What group do you submit your paycheck to for re-distribution. And again I say...nowhere does the Bible support the idea of God's kingdom being propagated by secular governments using the police power of the State to seize wealth from one person and give it to another.

the bible does say that we are agents of the kingdom of god and to preach the good news of the kingdom of god. the kingdom of god is egalitarian, all are equal. all are not equal under capitalism. where do you find that the kingdom of god is capitalistic? if not how do you describe the kingdom of god in the here and now?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

if the bible doesn't condone socialism, where in the bible does god condone capitalism? if niether is advocated then socialism is a viable option for christians to support. why do christians have to be capitalists?

You can voluntarily support whatever you want. In fact, we're kind of tight right now. Would you mind paying my power bill?

The problem is when Christians or anyone else condone a system where the government , through its police powers, seizes wealth from one person and re-distributes it to another. You obviously support that, making you an enemy of freedom and liberty. Give your money to whomever you choose, but don't try to steal ours because you think you know better than us who to give it to.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Originalist

You can voluntarily support whatever you want. In fact, we're kind of tight right now. Would you mind paying my power bill?

The problem is when Christians or anyone else condone a system where the government , through its police powers, seizes wealth from one person and re-distributes it to another. You obviously support that, making you an enemy of freedom and liberty. Give your money to whomever you choose, but don't try to steal ours because you think you know better than us who to give it to.

no one is seizing wealth, it's called nationalization of natural resources. why should certain individuals prosper from god given resources and others not?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

no one is seizing wealth, it's called nationalization of natural resources. why should certain individuals prosper from god given resources and others not?

The government will still have to hire private contractors to go after those resources. The government does not own oil wells. Therefore, someone will benefit more than others. Furthermore, if I find oil on my land, why should I not be able to sell it and become wealthy?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

why isn't socialism compatible with christianity? the apostle's were socialists.

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

The Apostles were missionaries, not politicians or political revolutionaries. DM you are really confused.

What you have above is a willingness to give. What YOU have in Socialism is robbing the rich to give to the poor unwillingly controlled by politicians who think they know how to give better than we do.

BTW when you do that there is less charitable giving.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The Apostles were missionaries, not politicians or political revolutionaries. DM you are really confused.

What you have above is a willingness to give. What YOU have in Socialism is robbing the rich to give to the poor unwillingly controlled by politicians who think they know how to give better than we do.

BTW when you do that there is less charitable giving.

of course the apostles were missionaries, i'm just making a point that one of their chief concerns was the welfare of the poor. just as christ said, when we serve the poor, we serve him.

no one is robbing the rich. chavez is making the workers be part owners of the means of production so that all benefit equally.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

of course the apostles were missionaries, i'm just making a point that one of their chief concerns was the welfare of the poor. just as christ said, when we serve the poor, we serve him.

no one is robbing the rich. chavez is making the workers be part owners of the means of production so that all benefit equally.

Lots of people with money are concerned about the poor. But they'd rather give their money than have politicians and revolutionaries TAKE it by force and tell us they know better how to give it away

Higher taxes. Nationalization of businesses. Taking land from land owners. Stealing from the Rich

You don't want the Church. You want government

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Lots of people with money are concerned about the poor. But they'd rather give their money than have politicians and revolutionaries TAKE it by force and tell us they know better how to give it away

Higher taxes. Nationalization of businesses. Taking land from land owners. Stealing from the Rich

You don't want the Church. You want government

what about when the church becomes the government or fights for changes in the government. what is that government supposed to look like?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

what about when the church becomes the government or fights for changes in the government. what is that government supposed to look like?

Most of the States would not ratify the Constitution until there was a guarantee that the church would not become the government. And what is the government supposed to look like? It's supposed to look like what is laid out in the Constitution.

[navygoat1998]

What about my avatar???? I am making a political statement.