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Old 11-24-2012, 04:16 PM
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Re: Israel: Always the Villain

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What kind of logic would assume that the palestinians, wo are living in concentrations camps, supposedly want to repeat the holocaust?
please explain how they are living in concentration camps
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Old 11-24-2012, 05:09 PM
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Re: Israel: Always the Villain

I want to say that I can't believe the stupidity of some of these responses... I'd be lying.
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BTW nobody talks about how the West Bank does not have this issue
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BTW

The Palestinian Authority has banned Palestinian journalists from reporting about the findings of the Independent Commission for Human Rights concerning abuse of human rights by the PA and Hamas.

In its most recent annual report, the commission said that Palestinians in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip were subjected in 2010 to an “almost systematic campaign” of human rights abuses by the PA and Hamas, as well as by Israeli authorities.

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=224143
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:19 PM
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Re: Israel: Always the Villain

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What kind of logic would assume that the palestinians, wo are living in concentrations camps, supposedly want to repeat the holocaust?
I have personally been to Israel twice and nothing could be farther from the truth. The Palestinians do not live in concentration camps. They live in cities, towns and villages with infrastructure and utlities and police and fire and government and services.
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Do you like the Egyptian president trying to grab power?
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Do you like the Egyptian president trying to grab power?
The Egyptian president is trying to rule like our President Obama.
The Egyptian president has declared that his word is law and he does not need the legislature.
Our President does not feel like he needs the legislature and is governing by executive order.
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Old 11-24-2012, 11:29 PM
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Many are living behind walls and wire and cut off from the outside world. They are citizens of no country. Food, water, and other supplies are doled out or withheld at the whim of the Israelis. Laws for Jews and non-Jews are applied differently. The camps have been around for decades. The stories and photos and reports from them are nothing new. Some real "hate speech" for ya Prax. We are stunned when these people bow up and fight back?

"There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies? Not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbours here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy."
Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001


"The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".
... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000


"[The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs."



Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.


"The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."

Shimon Preses, Israeli Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988


"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle."

Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.


"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to."

Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.


"There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed."


Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969


"The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war."

Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.


"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"

David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.


Ben Gurion also warned in 1948: "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return....The old will die and the young will forget."


"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves."
Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.


"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We the Jewish people, control America and the Americans know it."
- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, speaking to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.


"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours."

Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.


"We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return."

David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.


"We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai."

David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.


"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."
Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.


"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, what is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'"

Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs,
published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.


"We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters"

Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.


"There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [i] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary."
Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.



"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them."

Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.




"Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly."
Theodor Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine, Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.



"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail"

-- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994
[Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]"

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Old 11-24-2012, 11:40 PM
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Re: Israel: Always the Villain

Good. Next time you go do you to have them explain in careful detail what these things mean:

Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God - Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.
Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals. Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.


Sanhedrin 106a . "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters."

I believe I would also plan to hold on to my wallet if I were you deacon - LOL OH - Lemme know how that discussion works out for you.

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Old 11-25-2012, 07:40 AM
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Re: Israel: Always the Villain

all they got to do is stop with the rockets ,they wont have a problem with the isrealis ,and they were forced to take over as much land as possible just to survive otherwise they are indefensible from all sides.
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