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Originally Posted by Precis
Godsdrummer: I do think that, that we are all going to have a spiritual body. I state that no flesh nor blood can go to heaven. If it can not go then it could not come down from. The christ taught stated that god would both destroy the spirit of man and the body, that make me look at christ a sending in a total spiritual form. The raising of christ from the tomb was a bodily one. Because he had flesh and bone, yet never stated he had blood. To say god put life back in the dry bones. I state there is two spirits in man as was in christ the created and when we get the h. G. The a portion of god's own spirit which he takes back to himself that he gives. I state this because christ is the likeness of both moses and melchizedek of which both had the spirit of god both being a man. One thing to note is god took of the spirit which was on, in, or to say working through and gave portions of that selfsame spirit to the seventy elders. This would make them have both the spirit of man and god's spirit. If we are going to be as the angels then we have to be total spirit. Have mor to say on the subject but this my 2%.
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Precis
I never said we would not have a spiritual body, as a matter of fact both Peter and Paul write of this. Peter says he has a tabernacle prepared for him at his death.
Paul speaks of being clothed in this flesh, and that we have a clothing not of this world that we desire to be clothed in but we will not until we die and leave this body behind.
This body must die as it was ordained to do by God from creation. The death brought on by the sin in the garden was not, in my personal opinion, our natural death, rather the separation from the spiritual relationship with God. Which was restored with the death of Christ on the cross. Those that accept the work Christ performed on the cross by faith, confirmed by water baptism, are filled with God's spirit which was the promise to come in the new covenant, as confirmed by Peter on the day of Pentecost, "this is that which was spoken of by Joel" brings one into the kingdom of God today.
This new birth, changes us from mortality to imortality, at the moment of our new birth. NOT this mortal body rather our spiritual body. Death held two places or should I say held to two places. First under the OC, where at death the soul was held in reserve till the coming of Christ. At which time He redemed them at the cross, and went into hades the place of death taking the keys to death hell and the grave from satan. resurrecting the sould of them and the souls of the saints slain during the tribulation period just before the destruction of Jerusalem. Bringing them with him at his judgment of Jerusalem in 70ad.
As Paul writes (before the destruction of Jerusalem I might add)
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Understanding of the way the writers wrote gives us understanding of the words of prophecy and how they came about. Just because two differing things were writen in one sentance of passage does not mean it happened at the exact same time. I can give many examples of this in scripture, but if one would take the time to stop and think on this idea they would be reminded of many passages. One such was on the day of Pentecost where Peter quotes from Joel. In the same sentance or paragraph he states both the promise that was that moment being expriance by those in the upper room, then on the heals to that he completes the quote from Joel stating the comming judgement,
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Notice the fulfillment of the out pouring of the spirit of God above.
Now notice what was to come, did this come to pass in that generation? You better believe it did.
Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
These words were apocoliptic terms used by the prophets of God to describe natural events of the falling of earthly kingdoms, and in this case the ending and destruction of the OT covenant to the New Covenant.
We look at these words and say, well this has not happened yet because the moon has not been turned to blood, or the sun shall be turned to darkeness, by our definition. But I chalange any one to study these terms out in OT prophecy and see how they do come to pass.
And did they come to pass in that generation, you better believe it God destroyed Jerusalem (using the armies of Rome) Judging those people who shouted to Pilate "let his blood be on our hands" and did not repent, but continued to commit the greatest abomination in the eyes of God.
Not the offering of a unclean animal in the temple, not even the desacration of the temple by a Gentile. That was all passed when God died on the cross, the temple lost its place of importance in the eyes of God from the time the vail was rent from top to bottom, the temple became just another building, erected by man. The abomination that brought desolation was the continuing to offer sacrifices upon the alter, spitting in the face to the offering God gave of his son on the cross.
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