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10-01-2012, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
You are exactly right. He has preached the same way for the last 20 something years. No manipulating going on with him, he loves what he does.
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Well, the stuff I lis tened to was be fore he went char is matic!
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10-01-2012, 10:33 AM
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Re: Jonathan Suber, Good Preachin'
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Well, the stuff I lis tened to was be fore he went char is matic!
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Well, regardless, his speaking style hasn't changed since I meet him when he was 18 or 19.
However, I didn't agree with him when he said, "the Holy Ghost is for empowerment and is not salvational". I don't know how he reconciles that opinion with Romans 8:9. I don't know how anyone can.
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10-01-2012, 10:55 AM
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Re: Jonathan Suber, Good Preachin'
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
Well, regardless, his speaking style hasn't changed since I meet him when he was 18 or 19.
However, I didn't agree with him when he said, "the Holy Ghost is for empowerment and is not salvational". I don't know how he reconciles that opinion with Romans 8:9. I don't know how anyone can. |
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10-01-2012, 11:22 AM
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Re: Jonathan Suber, Good Preachin'
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Originally Posted by Truthseeker
Does he always yell when he preaches?
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He has every time I've ever heard him. Unfortunately, I can hardly remember a thing he actually preached about the next day.
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10-01-2012, 01:31 PM
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Re: Jonathan Suber, Good Preachin'
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Originally Posted by houston
Really? I have only listened to a few teachings he did in Singapore. I did not get that impression.
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Agreed. J. Suber is an excellent preacher and an even better teacher even if he is a "liberal".  Crowds are manipulated easiest if they invest much emotion and almost no logic into what is spoken to them. Along with exhortation and an emotional plea to the crowd, Suber offers plenty of meat that would appeal to thinking people.
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10-01-2012, 03:40 PM
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Re: Jonathan Suber, Good Preachin'
The point is, there is no sense for all the theatrics.
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10-01-2012, 03:51 PM
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Re: Jonathan Suber, Good Preachin'
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Originally Posted by Dante
The point is, there is no sense for all the theatrics.
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Except, some people are naturally more dramatic, intense and loud when they are talking or preaching. It's a personality thing. It isn't just for show. When some speakers are passionate about their topic, they get loud and intense. It doesn't mean they're bad people and it also doesn't devalue their message.
There's room in the church for a lot of different personality types and styles. What ministers to you may not minister to others and vice versa.
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10-01-2012, 04:20 PM
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Re: Jonathan Suber, Good Preachin'
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
Well, regardless, his speaking style hasn't changed since I meet him when he was 18 or 19.
However, I didn't agree with him when he said, "the Holy Ghost is for empowerment and is not salvational". I don't know how he reconciles that opinion with Romans 8:9. I don't know how anyone can. |
PO'd,
I didn't listen to him but did he say "the Holy Ghost is for empowerment" or "the BAPTISM of the Holy Ghost is for empowerment"? Big difference.
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10-01-2012, 04:52 PM
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Re: Jonathan Suber, Good Preachin'
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Originally Posted by CC1
PO'd,
I didn't listen to him but did he say "the Holy Ghost is for empowerment" or "the BAPTISM of the Holy Ghost is for empowerment"? Big difference.
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He didn't say that on this video clip. It was on another clip regarding gifting or something, posted either here or NFCF.
There isn't any difference between the two statements you posted. I've seen you try to explain that before and it doesn't make a lick of sense. You can't leave salvational off of either statement. It is a salvational issue because Romans says it is. If you don't have the Holy Ghost, you do not belong to Him. That means you can't make heaven. Heaven is a salvational issue.
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10-01-2012, 05:39 PM
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Re: Jonathan Suber, Good Preachin'
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
He didn't say that on this video clip. It was on another clip regarding gifting or something, posted either here or NFCF.
There isn't any difference between the two statements you posted. I've seen you try to explain that before and it doesn't make a lick of sense. You can't leave salvational off of either statement. It is a salvational issue because Romans says it is. If you don't have the Holy Ghost, you do not belong to Him. That means you can't make heaven. Heaven is a salvational issue.
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