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Old 05-31-2012, 06:21 AM
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I would not like it if little kids were singing about adultery either.

About the bolded portions - I agree.
well the bible in the old testament told them to instruct their kids morning and night time about the laws. psalms or songs i guess was a standard way of teaching kids some way to help them remember it. However i do agree.

But there isnt really any point in bashing a gay person for being gay. If they dont believe what the word of God says, then your not going to convience them of their sin.

But the day the word of God comes alive then progression can move foward.

I also want to point back to parenting for a minute about a situation my pastor brought up at a youth rally convention. I think the boy was around 12-14 years old. After service they had alter call and this boy was up their praying that he wouldnt be gay. so my buddy asked him do you think you are gay?

Come to find out it was the parents verbal abuse of the child, cause the child wasnt manly enough so the father kept down grading the kid to that of a person who was gay. He heard it so much he thought he was turning into one.

its a sad story but stuff like this happends all the time.
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Old 05-31-2012, 10:15 AM
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well the bible in the old testament told them to instruct their kids morning and night time about the laws. psalms or songs i guess was a standard way of teaching kids some way to help them remember it. However i do agree.

But there isnt really any point in bashing a gay person for being gay. If they dont believe what the word of God says, then your not going to convience them of their sin.
It works quite often, though. Gay kids growing up in Christian families often do believe, and are convinced/convicted of their sin. It's just that they can't do anything about it, other than fall into depression, perhaps consider suicide, sometimes going through with it. At least, that's a common response. There are stories of deliverance, and turning straight. Seems to be very rare, though. Didn't work for the founders of Exodus International, but I suppose it's possible for some.
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Old 05-31-2012, 10:54 AM
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It works quite often, though. Gay kids growing up in Christian families often do believe, and are convinced/convicted of their sin. It's just that they can't do anything about it, other than fall into depression, perhaps consider suicide, sometimes going through with it. At least, that's a common response. There are stories of deliverance, and turning straight. Seems to be very rare, though. Didn't work for the founders of Exodus International, but I suppose it's possible for some.
people have the ability to change if they want to. Sometimes that change is hard. I know i have struggled with Issues.

I smoked for 15 years, i wanted to stop, and so i did. was it hard yes. very but also rewarding.

its the same with gay people, if they want to change then they can, but if they dont want to, im not going to try and force them to. I am also not going to condem them to hell either.

cause until the word of God becomes alive to them, they dont even believe in what i believe in. So just have to reach a mutual place.

its sin regardless i understand that, but at the same time how many of us walk a perfect life, I BET the answer is none. I remember listening to a singer during the gospel hour show on tbn.

He said he was a former gay, and that he still struggles with it. I knew another man UPCI apostolic. worship singer. He was struggling with being gay and thinking about gayish tendancies. Yet the man was apostolic in every way. eventually he went back to gay and was forced to leave the upci because of the ridicule.

The Spirit man is at war with the flesh and will be until we die. regardless of what labels we want to stick on someone.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:35 AM
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Jesus looks at sinners with eyes of love. He does not however want them to live in sin, he wants to deliver them from it.
On the other hand, the enemy looks at sinners with eyes of pride. He wants to keep them in sin, so he can show God that he is more powerful. And he does this with lies. Just as he lied to Eve, he continues to lie to all humanity. You shall not surely die! Go ahead taste the forbidden fruit, you will become as gods knowing good and evil.
Sin is death.
And hating others is a sin.
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Old 05-31-2012, 02:50 PM
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We need more compassion in Christianity. Christ died for every last soul on the planet, even those in gross sin. The Law would demand that we beat, and even stone, a rebellious child. Our ethic doesn't come from the Law... it comes from agape love. I don't think encouraging the homosexual to "change" is a good idea. It fails most of the time. We should encourage that all strive to be as much like Jesus as possible, and allow grace to pick up where we fall down. I do believe that a supernatural touch from God is needed on some things. Perhaps this is one of those things.
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Old 05-31-2012, 03:55 PM
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This church is Apostolic, non-UPC

Did the boy sing about the adulterers, liars and gossipers that aint gonna be in heaven either?
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This church is Apostolic, non-UPC

Did the boy sing about the adulterers, liars and gossipers that aint gonna be in heaven either?
IDK, but most of those type of songs do have about ten verses that name various sins.
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Old 05-31-2012, 05:16 PM
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If so it's funny the media focused on 1
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Jesus looks at sinners with eyes of love. He does not however want them to live in sin, he wants to deliver them from it.
On the other hand, the enemy looks at sinners with eyes of pride. He wants to keep them in sin, so he can show God that he is more powerful. And he does this with lies. Just as he lied to Eve, he continues to lie to all humanity. You shall not surely die! Go ahead taste the forbidden fruit, you will become as gods knowing good and evil.
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And hating others is a sin.
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Old 06-01-2012, 03:10 AM
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can I change the title to Gah hate? Pleeeeeeease?
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