Speaking of Talent vs. Anointing...

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Cindy

I better not comment.

Good grief?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

I'm very confused... are you using talent and annointing interchangeably?

I do believe annointing can affect ones talents or even produce talents if it be the will of God.

Our drummer, who is now 19, started playing when he was 8 or 9. Just trying to learn on his own. He was terrible. Well, he could keep the basic beat, but thats about it. And he got only moderatly better as time passed. At age 11 he recieved the Holy Ghost. The following Sunday was like night and day. He played like he had been playing all his life with lessons included.

Does talent and annointing carry the same definition? No. Can they be closely related, definitly.

[Dagwood]

In this thread (http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...=39448&page=44), it was said people confuse talent with anointing much of the time, where Vestal Goodman's name was mentioned in the conversation. I'll let y'all click and read through it. But, that statement sparked my initial question above.

It's been my experience some people will base one's anointing on that person or those people's knowledge of who God is and how they live (UPC standards-wise). If they don't know who God is and don't have standards, then it's merely talent according to them.

Hopefully, that clears it up a little...

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Dagwood

In this thread (http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...=39448&page=44), it was said people confuse talent and anointing where Vestal Goodman's name was mentioned. I'll let y'all click and read through it. But, that statement sparked my initial question above.

It's been my experience some people will base one's anointing on that person or those people's knowledge of who God is and how they live (UPC standards-wise). If they don't know who God is and don't have standards, then it's merely talent according to them.

Hopefully, that clears it up a little...

But we will listen and even sing songs written and sung by people that aren't.

[Dagwood]

Originally Posted by Cindy

But we will listen and even sing songs written and sung by people that aren't.

Exactly. So, when I hear Clint Brown sing, he's only got talent. When I hear, The Collingsworth Family sing, they've only got talent.

Yet, when I hear Nancy Grandquist and her choir (from 2001) sing, they've got anointing. When I hear, IBC choir sing, they've got anointing.

When I hear (or watch) John Piper online or see a tweet of his, he just knows how to write something he thinks is correct. If I see a C. H. Spurgeon quote, well he just knew how to write so eloquently.

Yet, when I hear (or see) Anthony Mangun preach, oh he's definitely got the anointing. Etc, etc, etc...

[DaveC519]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

Don't you think for sake of everyone being on the same page, annointing and talent need to be defined respectively? If not, folks may not be talking about the same things..... I think you need to upack that a little more.

talent-
1. a special natural ability or aptitude: a talent for drawing.
(dictionary.com)


anointing-
(1.) The act of anointing was significant of consecration to a holy or sacred use; hence the anointing of the high priest (Ex 29:29; Lev 4:3) and of the sacred vessels (Ex 30:26).
(from Easton's Bible Dictionary, PC Study Bible formatted electronic database Copyright © 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

God can "anoint" a person's talent if it is consecrated to him. We can sense the Spirit moving in our lives to bless us when we are in the presence of that talent in operation. But even if a talent has not been consecrated to God, the Holy Spirit may bless us (we feel His "anointing") when we see/hear it (the talent) in operation, because God may choose to use it as a source of blessing to us.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Dagwood

Exactly. So, when I hear Clint Brown sing, he's only got talent. When I hear, The Collingsworth Family sing, they've only got talent.

Yet, when I hear Nancy Grandquist and her choir (from 2001) sing, they've got anointing. When I hear, IBC choir sing, they've got anointing.

When I hear (or watch) John Piper online or see a tweet of his, he just knows how to write something he thinks is correct. If I see a C. H. Spurgeon quote, well he just knew how to write so eloquently.

Yet, when I hear (or see) Anthony Mangun preach, oh he's definitely got the anointing. Etc, etc, etc...

Exactly. Yet at the same time that does not mean God can not move you listening to Clint Brown.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by DaveC519

talent-
1. a special natural ability or aptitude: a talent for drawing.
(dictionary.com)


anointing-
(1.) The act of anointing was significant of consecration to a holy or sacred use; hence the anointing of the high priest (Ex 29:29; Lev 4:3) and of the sacred vessels (Ex 30:26).
(from Easton's Bible Dictionary, PC Study Bible formatted electronic database Copyright © 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

God can "anoint" a person's talent if it is consecrated to him. We can sense the Spirit moving in our lives to bless us when we are in the presence of that talent in operation. But even if a talent has not been consecrated to God, the Holy Spirit may bless us (we feel His "anointing") when we see/hear it (the talent) in operation, because God may choose to use it as a source of blessing to us.

[Dagwood]

Originally Posted by scotty

Exactly. Yet at the same time that does not mean God can not move you listening to Clint Brown.

Actually, I was inserting some sarcasm when mentioning Clint. He might come across like he's trying to show off sometimes. But, I still feel like God's anointing takes place in his ministry, no doubt. And, yes, I am moved when listening to Clint, much the same way when listening to The Collingsworths, Nancy, or IBC...

I think some people define what they want when it comes to anointing. And, as far as I'm concerned, their definition is far too small in terms of who is...

[OnTheFritz]

It's simple, really. UPC or oneness people following standards = annointing. Everyone else = talent.