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Old 05-06-2012, 12:16 PM
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Re: God Respects Your POV

Well, God certainly does have a much more inclusive viewpoint then we do.
And he meets us where we are and works with us from there.

It may well people that other people are a greater hindrance to us on our journey towards God, then God is.

But again, God has the larger viewpoint since he tells us that other believers are the body of Christ and we can't break fellowship with them.
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Old 05-06-2012, 02:40 PM
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Re: God Respects Your POV

Amen. We do anyway, tho, over things like hair, or tongues, and so it
Might be useful to examine pov (which isn't opinion, although we often interchange them), to see how Truth, or Gods Opinion, might be obscured from it.

Meets us where we are v greater hindrance, ya, ya.

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Old 05-06-2012, 02:51 PM
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Re: God Respects Your POV

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Are you using the Merriam_Webster definition of respect?
I mean, brilliant! Respect was a good word for God,
But one may or may not respect another's Opinion,
And proceed to ignore that their pov is sacred.
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Old 05-06-2012, 09:23 PM
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Re: God Respects Your POV

Talk to a longtime pastor about your pov and see if he respects that.
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Old 05-06-2012, 10:19 PM
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Talk to a longtime pastor about your pov and see if he respects that.
Not interested. What I am interested,
for the nonce anyway, is how we approach
a differing pov once ours is formed
(beginning with information, btw),
v how God approaches it.

Now, info might (and does) change your
premises, and thus your pov
(more often only your opinion)-
-all of those are subtly )or radically( altered almost
every waking moment; and then
even in dreams, which can be thought of
as pov movies.

But after a pov is formed,
you are going to have to change an assumption
to change that pov in yourself;
this is because a genuine pov
is formed from experience-
-you cannot have a pov about
something you have not experienced;
you can only have an opinion
(or, you can have a pov; naive).

(And, the less sure you are of
your opinion, the more stridently
you are apt to insist on it,
<or read a more literal interpretation>
in a human desire for affirmation.)

So, it is quite easy to find your self arguing
a pov against an opinion, for one thing-
-we have prolly all experienced this.

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Old 05-06-2012, 10:55 PM
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Re: God Respects Your POV

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But after a pov is formed,
you are going to have to change an assumption
to change that pov in yourself;
this is because a genuine pov
is formed from experience-
-you cannot have a pov about
something you have not experienced;
you can only have an opinion
(or, you can have a pov; naive).
People have a pov without the experience all the time. I've been in churches where they eloquently displayed their pov about the catholic religion...all without ever having experienced it.

Or would you say that this is just their opinion of the Catholic religion?

Many catholics have the pov that if one does not venerate Mary, they "are lost as two boys kissing".

Opposing pov's?
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Old 05-07-2012, 12:17 PM
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People have a pov without the experience all the time. I've been in churches where they eloquently displayed their pov about the catholic religion...all without ever having experienced it.

Or would you say that this is just their opinion of the Catholic religion?

Many catholics have the pov that if one does not venerate Mary, they "are lost as two boys kissing".

Opposing pov's?
Hmm, yes, I would call those opinions, and offer as an argument that two people
with differing povs having a discussion will quickly realize
where their povs differ, and highlight what special conditions led to them;
whereas two people arguing diff opinions can go at it for days, in circles-
-and that prolly most of us have experienced both of these, also?

"Many catholics have the pov that if one does not venerate Mary, they "are lost as two boys kissing".

I would call this an opinion about a pov?
My opinion there is that the ancient, pagan
worship of Diana, Athena, etc, all mothers who had
sacrificial sons, was adopted into the Catholic lexicon
so as to be more inclusive.

Also, I'm led to read "Anything to get
their eyes off of God, and their
hearts out of now."

But a Catholic would be able to provide
a diff opinion, and possibly even a pov
here, so that one might form an opinion for themselves.

There are many "Catholics" also who would
not buy into the Mary-worship thing, I'm pretty sure?
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Old 05-07-2012, 12:19 PM
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Re: God Respects Your POV

what is POV?
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Old 05-07-2012, 12:22 PM
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Re: God Respects Your POV

duh, point of view, I get it now. lol
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Old 05-07-2012, 01:06 PM
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Re: God Respects Your POV

Um, we have veered from pov as it relates to physics, a "physical" pov,
to "spiritual" pov here, but a good illumination of this was forwarded by...
AYR, I think; I'll try to dig it up.
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