Death Penalty

[Aquila]

I've been against the death penalty in the past. But I have come to believe it's a necessary evil for a civil society. I'd have to be absolutely convinced to flip a switch. I'd also like to know that the condemned made their peace with God, embraced their fate, and were prepared to go home. I'd include violent sex crimes against women and children as grounds for the death penalty.

I also believe in corporal punishment (stripes & caning as in Singapore) and financial restitution.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by deafdriscoll

i believe all serial child molesters should burnt alive.
I belive serial rapist should be fed to the lions.
I believe that the drug lords should have their drug crops burnt by napalm.

To date more than 100 people who were on death row have had cases overturned by DNA. Most for rape and murder. For this reason I would never find the death penality a satisfactory solution.

I live in the state that kills more inmates than most other states all put together.

Please read White Lies/ The Clarence Brandly story if you would like to see and example of 'justice' in the county where I live.

[Dordrecht]

To date more than 100 people who were on death row have had cases overturned by DNA

Source please?
I don't believe it.

[Austin]

Sometimes the things which are just are not always justified. The acts and thoughts and actions of ourselves are then again measured again unto us. i myself in my profession have seen the suffering of the innocent due to the evil of the unrighteousness.
As a man one of my rolls are to protect my family. As police officer my roll is to protect others even if my life hangs in the balance.
The just for the unjust, many times have I too thought it. But then too I have thought dear Lord jesus thank you for not executing judgement and justice on me.

[Dordrecht]

The death penalty as executed through American courts is not much of a deterrent.
King Solomon 2,900 years ago explained why this is so:
Because the sentence is not executed SPEEDILY,
therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil. Eccl. 8:11

[bbyrd009]

The death penalty as executed under Grace should not be compared to the death sentence as executed under Law, as Austin has just so eloquently pointed out.

[Dordrecht]

Paul teaches that the unrepentant world is still under the law, and that the law is designed to show guilt and to bring people to Christ:

But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless... and for sinners... for murderers... for sodomites, for kidnappers, for perjurers... 1 Tim. 1:8-10
All the world is under the law:

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God... Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law. Rom. 3:19, 31
Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. Gal. 3:24-25

Source: http://www.theologyonline.com/DEATH.HTML

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Source please?
I don't believe it.

REALLY??? It was a very conservative number. The innocence project lists 289 although not all death penalty cases. If it were even one innocent person executed, read; murdered, by the state, that is too many. Just recently a very likely innocent man was executed just up the road in Huntsville despite a huge outcry for a stay and new trial. Texas at least, has proved that a little innocence will not keep them from killing you if they legally can.

So you are aware my brother is currently facing the death penalty so I have done some research. Unfortunately I have no reason to believe that he is innocent.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/node/529

http://www.innocenceproject.org/Cont...onerations.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...th_row_inmates

[Hoovie]

Not that I am convinced the death penalty is great... But if the killing of an innocent is grounds for not having it, could we similarly oppose all war?

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Paul teaches that the unrepentant world is still under the law...
Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. Gal. 3:24-25

Yes but that does not mean that we, being under grace, should treat those still ignorantly under the law with...more law? Isn't this the definition of insanity?