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02-17-2007, 12:29 PM
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I mentioned that very Scripture to my mom this morning when we were out and about. It is my understanding/belief that Jesus was speaking directly to Peter..."If you refuse to wash my feet, you have no part with me."
It is not pride that makes me feel this way...I simply do not believe that this is a mandate that if I don't do it, I have no part with Him. Does that mean then that my salvation is null and void? Am I going to be kept out of that Pearly White City because I don't wash feet?
Re Communion, Jesus said ,"As oft as you do this..." In other words, continue...I don't see this with Foot Washing, but I am NOT contentious. If it can be proven that it is a rite set forth by the Master, great...I will comply.
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Then what do you think Jesus meant when he said "this OUGHT you to do"?
To me if Jesus tells me I ought (should) do something, I would think I should do it.
But that is just me.
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02-17-2007, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Esther
Then what do you think Jesus meant when he said "this OUGHT you to do"?
To me if Jesus tells me I ought (should) do something, I would think I should do it.
But that is just me.
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Well, hon, Remington put the Word on me, so now I am convinced. I've read that verse a zillion times and forgot it was in there...oi...
As for what we ought to do, again some things were for a specific time or person/persons...I never took Foot Washing to be something we HAD to do.
But, it's in the epistles, so...
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02-17-2007, 12:37 PM
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Well, hon, Remington put the Word on me, so now I am convinced. I've read that verse a zillion times and forgot it was in there...oi...
As for what we ought to do, again some things were for a specific time or person/persons...I never took Foot Washing to be something we HAD to do.
But, it's in the epistles, so...
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Then how do you define what specific time or person/persons? What was for them only and what is for everyone?
What is your determing factor?
Just curious.
I have brought this subject up myself.
Now, the way I personally like to do footwashing, is with ladies of like mindedness. When we gather together in our home after a time of fasting, and then wash each others feet and pray over them together.
For instance I would invite about 5-7 ladies to come over. We would have a time of prayer and then we would have one lady sit in the chair and we would each wash her feet and all of us would pray over that lady.
I liked to do this in January of each year. We would pray over each lady that God would use her this year to do His will, etc.
Always had a special of move of God.
We all fasted before coming that day.
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02-17-2007, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Remington
Here is one.
I Timothy 5:10
Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.
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Oi...well, there ya go...thank you...
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But that was talking about a custom in that culture and at that time. We don't do that in N.A. Never have because our customs here are different. We do things though to show our good works and service to others.
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02-17-2007, 12:39 PM
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But that was talking about a custom in that culture and at that time. We don't do that in N.A. Never have because our customs here are different. We do things though to show our good works and service to others.
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Then why do you think he said "saints" feet instead of visitors feet?
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02-17-2007, 12:40 PM
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Then why do you think he said "saints" feet instead of visitors feet?
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Saints came to visit. It was customary to wash the feet of visitors regardless if they were saints or visitors.
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02-17-2007, 12:41 PM
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Then why do you think he said "saints" feet instead of visitors feet?
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Saints came to visit. It was customary to wash the feet of visitors regardless if they were saints or visitors.
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Regardless, it has never been our custom in North America or in most western countries for that matter.
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02-17-2007, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Esther
Barb, I have never figures out how we can NOT do foot washing when Jesus clearly told the deciples this OUGHT you to do.
In fact, when Peter told Him not to wash his feet, Jesus told Peter if he didn't wash his feet he would have no part with Him. (paraphrased)
With that kind of emphasis being made how can we NOT do it???
YET, there are things that we do not do where there is no scripture that says one way or the other.
My question is IF Communion is continued then why not foot washing? Were they not done at the same time?
Where they not equally important?
I think we have become too proud to wash one anothers feet. And PRIDE WILL bring us down.
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A thimball a grape juice and tiny piece of cracker ? I'm not so sure we do quite do communoin or the Lord's Supper as the early apostolic did.
As far as Peter having no part with the Lord if he if he did not allowed to wash him. The washing refered to was a cleansing of his soul by the blood, not a foot washing.
As far as being told we are to do unto each other as he did. Again humble service of the greater to the lesser is implied here. Not necesarily footwashing forever in the 21st century.
Footwashing was a common practice among Jews and others alike in Bible times. It was not something that was of religeous signifagance.
To make it a salvational issue... I can't quite fathom that.
If it is, then how many times does one have to wash feet to make it to heaven?
Is once enough...10 times enough??
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02-17-2007, 12:44 PM
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A thimball a grape juice and tiny piece of cracker ? I'm not so sure we do quite do communoin or the Lord's Supper as the early apostolic did.
As far as Peter having no part with the Lord if he if he did not allowed to wash him. The washing refered to was a cleansing of his soul by the blood, not a foot washing.
As far as being told we are to do unto each other as he did. Again humble service of the greater to the lesser is implied here. Not necesarily footwashing forever in the 21st century.
Footwashing was a common practice among Jews and others alike in Bible times. It was not something that was of religeous signifagance.
To make it a salvational issue... I can't quite fathom that.
If it is, then how many times does one have to wash feet to make it to heaven?
Is once enough...10 times enough??
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Good response!
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02-17-2007, 12:45 PM
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Regardless, it has never been our custom in North America or in most western countries for that matter.
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It is true it has never been our custom. But that is not what Jesus was about.
Consider it was their custom, so why would Peter be against it?
I think Jesus was teaching more than just a custom here. HE was teaching the need for us to be humble to one another.
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