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12-11-2011, 11:51 PM
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Re: Trinitarians Are Of The Devil
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I have never met a true trinitarian. Not a single Christian soul who does not believe that God is one no matter how they go on to try to explain 'how' that is. But if you find one let me know....
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There was a man that tried to tell me "one God" actually meant one as in one team; there were three Gods, but the operate as one. I know most Trinitarians don't say that.
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12-12-2011, 12:16 AM
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Re: Trinitarians Are Of The Devil
Our English word "one" can mean a single unit or it can mean united,
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12-12-2011, 09:58 AM
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Re: Trinitarians Are Of The Devil
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There was a man that tried to tell me "one God" actually meant one as in one team; there were three Gods, but the operate as one. I know most Trinitarians don't say that.
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Yeah, he's using the term "God" like the word "sheep". That's not sound Trinitarian theology.
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12-12-2011, 10:02 AM
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Re: Trinitarians Are Of The Devil
Simply put... Trinitarian theology doesn't use the term "person" as one might in conversational English. The term "person" is best translated "persona" and represents the distinct "self" found in each of God's three eternal modes of existence.
It's much like this... If I were manifest in three different places and each manifestation had a distinct self consciousness with which they could even communicate with one another, each manifestation would be me... but in a distinct "person". Therefore I'd be manifest in three persons. I would be them and they would be me. The only difference with Trinitarianism is that each mode of existence isn't just a "manifestation"... it's actually an eternal reality or mode of being that is part of God's very nature. God (Jehovah) existing in the persons of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit eternally. They are Him and He is them. God in three persons.
In Modalism, and Oneness to a degree, the Son (the man Christ Jesus) is merely a temporary manifestation wherein God's mode of existence is fully human. This began in time and isn't deemed to have been a true mode of existence prior to His birth in Bethlehem. Also, many Oneness Apostolics believe that the manifestation of God as the Son will one day cease (if they don't believe it has already).
So much for Jesus being the same yesterday, today, and forever more. If Jesus never changes, the relationship and person of Christ we see in the New Testament as distinguished from the Father is eternal in nature. Also, their "oneness" is eternal in nature. This is what Trinitarians believe was being referenced when Jesus prayed to be glorified with the glory He had with the Father before the world began ( John 17:5).
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12-12-2011, 01:33 PM
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Re: Trinitarians Are Of The Devil
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Simply put... Trinitarian theology doesn't use the term "person" as one might in conversational English. The term "person" is best translated "persona" and represents the distinct "self" found in each of God's three eternal modes of existence.
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Person is an english word...what language did you want to translate person into Latin?
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-12-2011, 01:34 PM
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Re: Trinitarians Are Of The Devil
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In Modalism, and Oneness to a degree, the Son (the man Christ Jesus) is merely a temporary manifestation wherein God's mode of existence is fully human.
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Not true
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-12-2011, 01:46 PM
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Re: Trinitarians Are Of The Devil
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So the role of the Son ceases to exist, but the manifestation of the Son continues... but not as a Son? He's now Son as Father. LOL
Not only that, but in Oneness the "role of the Son" is a temporal thing created in time with the incarnation. Jesus, as the Son, isn't eternal. He's only eternal... as the Father... that He had shared glory with before the world begain. 
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12-12-2011, 01:48 PM
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Re: Trinitarians Are Of The Devil
As long as redemption is afforded mankind,then the Son exists.
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12-12-2011, 01:52 PM
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Re: Trinitarians Are Of The Devil
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As long as redemption is afforded mankind,then the Son exists.
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According to Prax, the manifestation of the Son will exist forever... but shhhhhh.... don't call Him the Son, somehow that role ended (as though He somehow ceases to be our Redeemer, the Son of God). The Son must be called the Father in the eternal state. 
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12-12-2011, 02:04 PM
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Re: Trinitarians Are Of The Devil
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So the role of the Son ceases to exist, but the manifestation of the Son continues... but not as a Son? He's now Son as Father. LOL
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Why don't you try acting your age for just one day? His SonSHIP ends according to some OPs not the manifestation of God in flesh. His ROLE ends not the manifestation
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Not only that, but in Oneness the "role of the Son" is a temporal thing created in time with the incarnation. Jesus, as the Son, isn't eternal. He's only eternal... as the Father... that He had shared glory with before the world begain.
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The ROLE not the manifestation. Jesus as God incarnate will forever be God incarnate according to Oneness
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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