Is Father a name?

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Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

Our FATHER which art in heaven hallowed bve thy NAME. (Luke 11:2).

Nice try. Who never heard of someone speaking "Father, what is your name?"?

Sometimes I use this little illustration .

I am a mother, a wife and a grandmother but my name is Phyllis. If I go to the bank to cash a check I have to sign that check. The bank will not allow me to sign it as mother, or wife , or grandmother I have to use my right name which is Phylls or they wont cash the check.

It is the same with salvation We cant get saved in any other name then Jesus. We have to apply God's right name to us and we do that by being bapized in the name of Jesus not in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost formular. God's name is Jesus .

I know this is a simple illustration but it makes sense to me .

God bless
sister phyllis

Originally Posted by Sister Phyllis

Sometimes I use this little illustration .

I am a mother, a wife and a grandmother but my name is Phyllis. If I go to the bank to cash a check I have to sign that check. The bank will not allow me to sign it as mother, or wife , or grandmother I have to use my right name which is Phylls or they wont cash the check.

It is the same with salvation We cant get saved in any other name then Jesus. We have to apply God's right name to us and we do that by being bapized in the name of Jesus not in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost formular. God's name is Jesus .

I know this is a simple illustration but it makes sense to me .

God bless
sister phyllis

Hello Phyllis, your illustration breaks down in that the Bible tells us that God chooses to use the titles; 'Father' and 'Son' as names at Luke 11:2 and Hebrews 1:4. Throughout the NT Father and Son are used a proper names and not as mere titles, I think that we have to accept what God has chosen, even if we don't like it - he uses Father and Son as personal names.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Nice try. Who never heard of someone speaking "Father, what is your name?"?

The text of Luke 11:2 doesn't say; 'Our Father what is your name,' instead it states that Father IS his name.

'Our Father which art in heaven Hallowed be thy NAME.'

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

The text of Luke 11:2 doesn't say; 'Our Father what is your name,' instead it states that Father IS his name.

'Our Father which art in heaven Hallowed be thy NAME.'

Sorry, but this is just really idiotic. It does not say "Father IS his name" and you are the only one that seems to think it is, Also it does not say God the Father which was your criteria for being the first person of the Trinity.

It says our Father which is in heaven, hallowed by your name" so whatever the name is, of the Father, you need to hallow it.

After a while you repeating the same thing over and over and over and over and not refuting our counter arguments needs to stop

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Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

The text of Luke 11:2 doesn't say; 'Our Father what is your name,' instead it states that Father IS his name.

'Our Father which art in heaven Hallowed be thy NAME.'

You missed my whole point. I am saying anyone knows it is reasonable to speak to one's father and refer to such a father's name, George for example, and comment on how nice one's father's name is. We can say, "Dad, I really like your name." And we are not referring to the word "dad", but to the name belonging to the Father, such as "George", for instance, that does not even mhave to be mentioned. Are you actually saying we cannot consider the name of the Father to be anything other than "Father" in light of such commonly understood manners of thinking as I have shown? Let's be reasonable, IB. You know your argument is weak in this case.

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

After a while you repeating the same thing over and
over and over and over and not refuting our counter arguments needs to stop

IB is plainly losing the battle and knows it, for him to use such a weak response.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

IB is plainly losing the battle and knows it, for him to use such a weak response.

I don't know any Trinitarian, let alone someone that understands english, that makes this "argument".

This verse just does not say "Father is your name" like he insists it does

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't know any Trinitarian, let alone someone that understands english, that makes this "argument".

This verse just does not say "Father is your name" like he insists it does

Right. It does not say that any more than me asking my father, "Dad, do your like you name?" means I am implying DAD is my father's name.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Right. It does not say that any more than me asking my father, "Dad, do your like you name?" means I am implying DAD is my father's name.

IB has been making this same argument for years and years and years and he just repeats the same argument over and over and over despite what you and I and others have said.

Im not sure what the problem is here, is it lack of understanding of english? It seems that just because two words appear in the same verse, Father and name, that it means Father is a name. What kind of logic is that?