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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Romans is a pretty good book.
I realize Bro. S.G. Norris founder of the Apostolic Bible Institute in St. Paul, MN "taught that ministers should not read publicly or preach from certain passages in Romans, Galatians or the text Ephesians 2:8-9 on the grounds that it could breed confusion among parishioners."
This is from page 142 of "Christianity Without the Cross" and is based on a Bernie Gillespie interview on November 20, 1999.
In "The Message of Romans" (copyright 1987) David Bernard says, "In this larger purpose for the epistle, we see the hand of God at work. God inspired Paul to write Romans so that the churches could have a clear, powerful statement of the gospel of salvation by faith. As such, God designed Romans to have a universal application." (page 23). Later in the book he qualifies this by defining faith as obedience to certain acts.
In my opinion, if a person reads the Book of Romans, particularly chapters 3 and 4, several times and in several different versions, he/she will come to the conclusion that salvation is by faith alone.
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Sam also known as Jim Ellis
Apostolic in doctrine
Pentecostal in experience
Charismatic in practice
Non-denominational in affiliation
Inter-denominational in fellowship
I'm no preacher, but imho if you then go on to read chapters 6-8 you will also decide that you need to be buried in baptism and filled with the Holy Ghost
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All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. ~Tolkien
Refusing to sit under the false gospel and false doctrine of false teachers is not "forsaking the Assembly"
Romans is a pretty good book.
I realize Bro. S.G. Norris founder of the Apostolic Bible Institute in St. Paul, MN "taught that ministers should not read publicly or preach from certain passages in Romans, Galatians or the text Ephesians 2:8-9 on the grounds that it could breed confusion among parishioners."
This is from page 142 of "Christianity Without the Cross" and is based on a Bernie Gillespie interview on November 20, 1999.
In "The Message of Romans" (copyright 1987) David Bernard says, "In this larger purpose for the epistle, we see the hand of God at work. God inspired Paul to write Romans so that the churches could have a clear, powerful statement of the gospel of salvation by faith. As such, God designed Romans to have a universal application." (page 23). Later in the book he qualifies this by defining faith as obedience to certain acts.
In my opinion, if a person reads the Book of Romans, particularly chapters 3 and 4, several times and in several different versions, he/she will come to the conclusion that salvation is by faith alone.
Brother Sam I respect you. I love you and I dont want to be unkind or disrespectfull...
but saying that Romans is a pretty good book is like saying water is wet or oxygen is nice for breathing.
The notion that a preacher got to be a preacher without having a grasp of Romans seems about as stupid a think as possible. Romans is vital. Im just mind boggled that a preacher "read romans" and changed his doctrine....after BEING A PREACHER??? AFTER BEING A PASTOR???
We may not agree on all points. We many not agree on some things that we both think are important that are addressed in Romans... but the suggestion that some guy who has given his life to the service of God one day decided to "read romans" and got some brand new revealation is just mind boggling.
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why, ferd? many have come out of churches that don't teach much of anything. so they studied and made some adjustments to their doctrine. that boggles the mind?
why, ferd? many have come out of churches that don't teach much of anything. so they studied and made some adjustments to their doctrine. that boggles the mind?
well, I take a dim view of anyone leaving what i believe to be sound doctrine.
but that is different from the thing that was stated here.... maybe I read it funny.
It was as if Mr. Galespie read romans like reading some new thing. If you pastor you better be well versed in some stuff... the book of Romans is one such.
ive read romans. Ive taught romans. People who get some bold new revalation then blame it on reading the bible like it was the frist time they ever did that arent being honest.
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... People who get some bold new revalation then blame it on reading the bible like it was the frist time they ever did that arent being honest.
But if you heard about a trinitarian who had been Spirit filled and preaching the Word for many years say that he had received a "revelation" or "new light" or "greater understanding" of the Word and asked you to baptize him you would consider him honest?
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Sam also known as Jim Ellis
Apostolic in doctrine
Pentecostal in experience
Charismatic in practice
Non-denominational in affiliation
Inter-denominational in fellowship
But if you heard about a trinitarian who had been Spirit filled and preaching the Word for many years say that he had received a "revelation" or "new light" or "greater understanding" of the Word and asked you to baptize him you would consider him honest?
Give the man a bat and he hits one outa park! If nothing else, one good comeback.
But if you heard about a trinitarian who had been Spirit filled and preaching the Word for many years say that he had received a "revelation" or "new light" or "greater understanding" of the Word and asked you to baptize him you would consider him honest?
Sam I have spent time with such a preacher. In fact I’m my early 20's while on AIM in South America, I spent a month in Curacao teaching his church some of our doctrine. They were Trinitarians and the pastor came to an understanding of Oneness.
That too was a process. If I were to come in contact with a guy like you describe I would spend a good deal of time talking to him.
I’ve lived just long enough to know that epiphanies are rare and the purview of the novice. Almost always for people who have been around for any amount of time, the moment of change occurs after a period of reflection.... often a period that is long and internally torturous.
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