What will Bro. Haney's legacy be?

[crazyjoe]

Would you consider him a con or a lib? Coming from the western district was he in step with the IH Terry crowd or was he more moderate and independent from the Terry/Price mafia?

[returnman]

Originally Posted by crazyjoe

Would you consider him a con or a lib? Coming from the western district was he in step with the IH Terry crowd or was he more moderate and independent from the Terry/Price mafia?

I didn't attend Stockton but I don't think anyone on here would disagree that he was moderate in comparison. He would have never become GS if was aligned with the above. I don't think Bro. Price was out of the same camp as Bro. Terry either. They ain't but one of him. LOL.

[Angel48]

This one thread has my head spinning in so many directions! I wasn't even aware there was a TV issue at any time. Since its not something I've heard about in my church the last year, I assume it isn't an issue there either. I did listen to Bishop Haney on the Internet recently-

http://m.lightsource.com/ministry/cause-of-the-cross/

I think this is his legacy.... How many souls has he saved?

[Jay]

To briefly resuscitate this thread, I believe that Bro. Price was very firmly in the camp of Bro. Terry and Bro. Westburg. My Dad, who would know, said that back around 90-92 Bro. Price threatened to pull the entire California district out of the UPC over one of the votes that they were having. I do not remember which one, but it was one of the big ones. My father, who knew at one time many of the pastors in California, said that he would have had the votes at the time to do that.

[Sweet Pea]

To learn more about Bishop Haney and his legacy.... his home going service is available to see online. A great man of God!

http://www.clministry.com/church/news/bishophaney/

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Raven

I knew Kenneth Haney all of my life and Sweet Pea has summed his legacy up nicely. Kenneth Haney simply loved people and that was enough!

Hello, friend. I didn't know Bro. Haney, but have gained respect for him primarily due to how you have written about him over the years here on AFF.

May you and your family have a wonderful holiday season this year!!!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Pastor Keith

The many sons and daughters that came up through the Bible College or the Local Church. They are spread throughout the world. That will be his legacy!

Yes. He made some very important contributions to the lives of so many people.

I met Kenneth Haney for the first time at GC in 1980. I was still pretty fresh out of high school and looking for direction. I could just see his own personal interest in his students and immediately felt like part of the "family." I signed up and was accepted for the following term. "Excited" doesn't tell half the story of how I felt.

And then... my pastor who had initially supported my attendance at CLC got to gossiping and back biting with his "Holiness" buds and told me that I could not attend CLC.

"That Kenneth Haney has a real problem with compromise out there!" he shouted.

Sadly, that will probably be the legacy of Kenneth Haney to many in the United (so-called) Pentecostal Church. Brother Haney was removed from office as General Superintendent because, "That Kenneth Haney has a real problem with compromise!" His enduring legacy within the OP movement will be the one crafted by the backbiting and gossipy "Holiness" guys; but his real legacy will live on the lives of the many, many people who were so positively affected by him. He was a great man.

[pelathais]

... on a follow up note: The Bible College that I was approved by my pastor to attend (an unnamed "school" in Missouri) closed it's doors three times during the single year I was there. The college's President was indicted for fraud in a financial scheme that wasn't supposed to involve the school. The so-called academics in the school were conducted at about an elementary children's Sunday School level. Only one instructor handed out a syllabus. When asked about this, the other instructors confessed that they didn't know what a syllabus was. The teachers were always coming and going - and that was in just the one year I was there.

For years after, people asked me why I didn't go back to that "school." Frankly, I'm surprised it's still around. The board that controls the school literally voted three times in that one year to close the place down.

That compromising Kenneth Haney, however, has built a Bible School and a great church that are positioned for the long haul. For that, he is reviled.

Personally, I loved the man and wish that I had never listened to my gossipy backbiting "Holiness" pastor. Lesson learned: Don't listen to the "compromise" gossip about men like Kenneth Haney. That sort of stuff really messed up my education as well as my Christian walk, for years.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jay

To briefly resuscitate this thread, I believe that Bro. Price was very firmly in the camp of Bro. Terry and Bro. Westburg. My Dad, who would know, said that back around 90-92 Bro. Price threatened to pull the entire California district out of the UPC over one of the votes that they were having. I do not remember which one, but it was one of the big ones. My father, who knew at one time many of the pastors in California, said that he would have had the votes at the time to do that.

Your father has an excellent memory. The man you called "Bro. Terry" was known among a small group of his associates as "Boner" for a particular story that he repeatedly told. After that vote in 1992, Assistant General Supt. Jesse Williams took to the pulpit and called out those California "Holiness" guys.

Bro. Williams said that many of them complained saying that they didn't like "compromise." Then, he said (and I quote him exactly here) "Well, I don't like your smutty jokes."

Paul Price wrote the preamble for that "Infernal Resolution" (as it came to be called) and Leonard Westberg (a distant family member of mine) wrote the resolution itself. Leonard was best known for promoting the Resolution by saying, "Every movement needs to have a bowel movement!"

Dear Bro. Westberg died suddenly while "ministering" on a cruise up the coast of Alaska. I forget the details of how "Boner" died, old age related complications. It was Ike "Boner" Terry who had boasted that he was "The first one to preach this message in the Valley." That would be the same "Valley" in which Clyde Haney had already been laboring for years. Paul Price too, has passed away. His primary legacy is that he was able to keep guys like "Boner" and the rest from pulling out of the UPC. Of course, he had to throw a lot of good men out to do so, but "Boner" remained faithful 'til the end.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by crazyjoe

Would you consider him a con or a lib? Coming from the western district was he in step with the IH Terry crowd or was he more moderate and independent from the Terry/Price mafia?

He was in fact the "Target" of the "Boner"/Price Mafia, at least his school was. After Richard Gazowsky, of course. Crazy as Richard is, he put Price and those guys in their place with one call to his lawyer. Paul Price was almost in tears over that when he stood on the platform during the business meeting in 1992.

"Some of them ("compromisers") are threatening to sue! We need this Resolution!"

Another target was a man that I consider to be a great Christian. He pastors an unnamed church somewhere in Silicon Valley. His wife is an accomplished musician and recording artist, but I'm not naming anyone by name here. This pastor was literally robbed of $10,000's of dollars when the "Boner" Terry crowd went after him.

"Are you gonna pull out now!?!" they gleefully demanded (pull out of the UPC). They obviously knew nothing about real character and grace. The pastor just ate his losses and continued to support the district and the UPC. Guys like this are never recognized across the pulpit at GC or in our published magazines.

Of course, if word ever got out about how we treat guys like this, it would be a real scandal and cause of embarrassment. Can't let the Sheeple know the facts!