You think Trinitarians accept you?

[Orthodoxy]

Weird...I was just listening to one of The Elephant Room sessions yesterday with James McDonald, Mark Driscoll, and Perry Noble. (The session where they discussed Perry Noble's bizarre decision to sing AC/DC's "Highway to Hell" at his church on Easter Sunday.)

Wow, I have heard nothing about TD Jakes and McDonald. I have to say that I am shocked that James McDonald would invite Jakes, and even more surprised that Driscoll doesn't make a fuss about it. Definitely will be reading more about this.

Mark Driscoll writes this post on his blog regarding TD Jakes:

http://pastormark.tv/2011/09/29/refl...nd-the-trinity

[Orthodoxy]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

These groups are small and insignificant - smaller than the UPC. Who cares what they think? TD Jakes turns down thousands of invitations to preach and does not want for a place to minister. These people are not influencing many. For the most part - they teach against the Baptism of the Holy Ghost and speaking in tongues.

I don't think I would call The Gospel Coalition "small and insignficant."

www.thegospelcoalition.org

[JamDat]

Originally Posted by CC1

JamDat,

I don't know anyone who has said there are not trinitarians who are just as passionate about trinitarian doctrine as Oneness people are about theirs.

However the fact of the matter is that over the last 20 years there is less of that than before as people are more open to different views. That does not mean trinitarian theologians are not going to defend dand preserve their view though. It is the "boots on the ground" (saints) where I see a lot more openness to alternate views than a trinitarian was raised with. Much like in Oneness circles where not as many younger people demonize trinitarians as being "three god" people as most of the older generation does / did.

There is a lot more openness for sure and that is one of the points of me sharing the link here. In the Evangelical circle there is much wackiness and heretical speaking that they're starting to circle the wagons. John MacArthur has started the calling out of those in Evangelicalism and TD Jakes (really the oneness part of him) will be the stand that they take.

I don't know how this will turn out in their group, but if TD can keep a back bone about him in the conference then oneness just might grow even faster. I really wish it was someone else than TD that is in this position, but it is what it is.

I wish the oneness movement would get some more theologians and less pump up the volume preachers.

[JamDat]

Originally Posted by Orthodoxy

I don't think I would call The Gospel Coalition "small and insignficant."

www.thegospelcoalition.org

I was going to respond with the same, but with some it's just not worth it because you get nowhere fast.

[Steve Epley]

Thanks when the Oneness leaders had that meeting with the Trinitarians and Charismatic leaders a few years ago, the Oneness guys came back saying they are looking our way and the top AG guy came back saying the Oneness folks were hereticks and would have to repent of their heresy before the AG would fellowship them.

[Patrick Harris]

Most of those blogs represent a group of people who have a "Reformed" theology. I haven't found much they like or agree with other Christians on.
The reality is that even though they're very vocal they represent a minority.

On my part, though let me say that even as one who is Pentecostal and who leans the direction of the trinity, that I have never ever once thought that oneness was a heretical view. I have close friends who are UPC and they don't treat me that way either.

Patrick

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by JamDat

For those of you that think mainstream Evangelicals love and accept OP's and therefore we should reciprocate the same to them had better wake up. You will learn in the following that they think you are a heretic and will go to hell if you continue believing in your false god.

This is not about condoning TD Jakes, but to let you see what trinitarians really think about you.


There is an uproar in the Evangelical world over an upcoming conference called The Elephant Room (http://www.theelephantroom.com/)

TD Jakes has been invited and it's spinning the heads of some major people in that world. Not because he's a "word faith" preacher, but because he is oneness. While the names might not to familiar to some OP's they are familiar to many others in the Evangelical world.

This link is from James McDonald who is hosting The Elephant Room conference and he is taking so much flack from inviting TD Jakes that his critics are just short of calling him a heretic too. http://jamesmacdonald.com/blog/?p=9130

The following links are just some of the blogs that use heavy language concerning OP's.

http://hereiblog.com/td-jakes-associ...g-discernment/

http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worl...articleid=7602

http://theexpositor.wordpress.com/20...-our-reaction/

http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/...elephant-room/

http://www.challies.com/articles/mac...nt-in-the-room

http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2011/09...-heretics.html

Wake up OP's because your beloved trinitarians think you're a heretic that will split hell wide open.

I really hope they would be more open minded, I am willing to fellowship with them, but if they are not willing to fellowship with me then it is their problem.

No I am not willing to compromise on oneness for one second. If I am to the only person who believes in the oneness message, then I will just worship by myself.

Hear this all of you and you can tell the Trinitarias if you wish.
As far as the oneness message goes here is my rabid response

NO COMPROMISE
ZERO
ZILCH
NADA
NEVER

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Thanks when the Oneness leaders had that meeting with the Trinitarians and Charismatic leaders a few years ago, the Oneness guys came back saying they are looking our way and the top AG guy came back saying the Oneness folks were hereticks and would have to repent of their heresy before the AG would fellowship them.

Dear Bro Epley

When it comes to the oneness message, I stand solidly behind you.
We are not retreating from this message by one inch, we have absolutely nothing to repent of.

I do not care to fellowship with those folks under those terms, I really do not care that I have been callled every vile name they could think of.

Because I preach the oneness message
I have been called
"A false Prophet'
"Jim Jones"
and a whole bunch of other names, well I do not care, I am still going to preach one God.

[UnTraditional]

I posted something earlier in this thread, but as time progressed, a thought came to my mind, and lets have this open some discussion a bit...

We acknowledge and recognize the fact that if God has chosen the vessel to be pure enough for His Spirit to dwell in as He has for us, then we have to understand that these, too, are of His flock.

So, the trinitarians and Oneness who have received the baptism of the Holy Ghost must be His, period. God has testified thusly by His Spirit. I hope others may see this. I am not compromising what I believe, but when God showed me this a few minutes ago, I began to understand somethings a bit better.

[Hoovie]

At least half of the objections raised in those blogs are straw-men. I have never met a Oneness person who claims consecutive modalism yet this is thrown at us in attempt to connect us to early "heretical" modalists. We are guilty of misrepresentation too, but until they start talking simultaneous modes of existence they are not talking about us at all.

Additionally many Oneness today teach the distinctions between Father and Son are external rather than internal of Christ.

Thus the top two accusations don't stand... that we are consecutive modalists and that all Oneness believes affirm Jesus is Father and Son.