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Re: He who restraineth???
Where is MTD's Antichrist going to sit? There is no temple, not one stone...
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09-27-2011, 08:45 AM
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Re: He who restraineth???
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Nero was the man of sin? When was he revealed in the temple of God showing himself as God? And if this took place 2000 years ago what happened to the coming of Jesus? Far out man.
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You know better than to ask these questions. lol. Nero said he was God and commanded a statue of himself to be made and adored that was 200 feet high. Jesus is coming again, which you KNOW I believe, but he came in localized judgment against Jerusalem according to Matt 24 and Matt 21:40 2000 years ago. Like I said elsewhere, the details of who Jesus said the harlot were and Jesus' words to those standing and hearing Him, who would be alive when He came, reveal it all. You have to deny Christ's own words about the whore's identity to remain post trib.
http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=36455
2 Thess 1 says His coming would be with vengeance on those who persecuted the Thessalonians 2,000 years ago. That cannot be so if THAT coming is yet in our future.
2Th 1:4-10 KJV So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: (5) Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: (6) Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; (7) And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, (8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: (9) Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; (10) When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
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09-27-2011, 03:01 PM
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Re: He who restraineth???
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oh good grief! seriously...anyone got an answer??
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And lo, Praxeas doth have an answer to thine question. Thou shalt surely findeth thine answer in the Holy Ghost
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-27-2011, 03:11 PM
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Re: He who restraineth???
I cannot see the Holy GHost ever being taken out of the way for anything. He never left the world when Christ was crucified. Wat could be worse than that crucifixion?
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09-27-2011, 03:14 PM
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Re: He who restraineth???
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I cannot see the Holy GHost ever being taken out of the way for anything. He never left the world when Christ was crucified. Wat could be worse than that crucifixion?
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Huh? I don't understand your point. What does the crucifixion have to do with it? Or never having left when Christ was crucified?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-27-2011, 06:04 PM
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Re: He who restraineth???
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II Thessalonians 2:7
"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth (Greek-restraineth) will let until he be taken out of the way"
Who is restraining?
What is he restraining?
Where will he be taken to when he is taken out of the way?
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The restrainer is Michael the archangel. If you do a search say like:
"Is Michael The Archangel The Restrainer" it should produce plenty of studies. I saw this about 15 years ago since then I see that many others have come to understand. They may have differing strands of how they see the events around it but agree he is the one who "withholds"
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09-27-2011, 07:09 PM
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Re: He who restraineth???
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You know better than to ask these questions. lol. Nero said he was God and commanded a statue of himself to be made and adored that was 200 feet high. Jesus is coming again, which you KNOW I believe, but he came in localized judgment against Jerusalem according to Matt 24 and Matt 21:40 2000 years ago. Like I said elsewhere, the details of who Jesus said the harlot were and Jesus' words to those standing and hearing Him, who would be alive when He came, reveal it all. You have to deny Christ's own words about the whore's identity to remain post trib.
http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=36455
2 Thess 1 says His coming would be with vengeance on those who persecuted the Thessalonians 2,000 years ago. That cannot be so if THAT coming is yet in our future.
2Th 1:4-10 KJV So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: (5) Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: (6) Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; (7) And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, (8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: (9) Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; (10) When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
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Where in particular can I read more about Nero/statue?
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09-27-2011, 08:34 PM
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Re: He who restraineth???
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Huh? I don't understand your point. What does the crucifixion have to do with it? Or never having left when Christ was crucified?
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The implication in saying the Holy Ghost restrains says that the Spirit leaves the earth and withdraws. Not sure if you believe that. Those who do have a problem. It's like the Spirit has to leave the world for the evil of the son of perdition to occur, but there was more evil when Christ was crucified than anything that ever did or ever will happen. So. if the Spirit never left then, why would it have to leave for 2 Thess 2 to occur? That applies, though, only if you think the restraining being removed means the Spirit leaves the world.
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09-27-2011, 08:38 PM
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Re: He who restraineth???
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Where in particular can I read more about Nero/statue?
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I googled it after someone told me about it. Acutally it was 120 ft. high. My mistake. It was called the Colossus. The colosseum was named after the statue!
http://www.unrv.com/culture/colosseum.php
The Colosseum, (the Flavian Amphitheatre) is one of Rome's most famous buildings and enduring monuments to the culture of the ancient Romans. Construction was initiated by the Emperor Vespasian around 72 AD. His son Titus reigned over its completion and the official opening ceremonies, about 8 years later, in 80 AD. It was built near the site of Nero's Domus Aurea "Golden House". This is significant in that his successor, Vespasian wanted to erase the memory of Nero's extravagant reign from the minds of Romans. It got its popular name, the Colosseum, because of Nero's colossus (120 ft. high) statue of himself, which was nearby. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_of_Nero
The Colossus Neronis was an enormous, 30 m bronze statue that the Emperor Nero (37–68 AD) erected in the vestibule of his Domus Aurea, the imperial villa complex on the Palatine Hill. It was modified by Nero's successors into a statue of the sun god Sol Invictus. It is last mentioned in the 4th century AD. The Colosseum is probably named after the statue that stood near its site, but not by the Romans themselves or other people many centuries after them.
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09-28-2011, 01:07 AM
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Re: He who restraineth???
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The implication in saying the Holy Ghost restrains says that the Spirit leaves the earth and withdraws. Not sure if you believe that. Those who do have a problem. It's like the Spirit has to leave the world for the evil of the son of perdition to occur, but there was more evil when Christ was crucified than anything that ever did or ever will happen. So. if the Spirit never left then, why would it have to leave for 2 Thess 2 to occur? That applies, though, only if you think the restraining being removed means the Spirit leaves the world. |
No that's not the implcation no more than Jesus coming down from heaven means He ceased being God by no longer being omnipresent.
That verse does not say the Spirit left. It says "caused to be out of the middle" literally
The Spirit isn't being removed from the earth. The Spirit is being removed from the duty of restraining the lawless one
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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