are we constantly struggling?

[Aquila]

If you're hidden in Chirst... it's... "Hey Satan, now you see me... now you don't!"

[Hoovie]

However, if your "victory" is defined by Christ's finished work on the cross on your behalf, you have total victory right now.


I like that Auquila. If this thing is performance-based then we fail. And the ones who think they don't are failing the worst.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

However, if your "victory" is defined by Christ's finished work on the cross on your behalf, you have total victory right now.


I like that Auquila. If this thing is performance-based then we fail. And the ones who think they don't are failing the worst.

[Aquila]

We are God' secret weapons against Hell. We're INDESTRUCTIBLE.

Here's a little message for Satan...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IIZ4NbDlso

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Romans 8:37
Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

Cower... Satan... like the foul defeated insolent foe you are!

[Praxeas]

I tend to aviod the word struggle as it makes me think of the notion we need to be perfectly sinless in order to be saved

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I tend to aviod the word struggle as it makes me think of the notion we need to be perfectly sinless in order to be saved

Your statement above implies that one can have some measure of sin and be saved. I'm going to play a word game here Prax, love ya bro....

We DO have to be sinless in order to be saved. The question is... whose sinlessness must we have? Our own...or Christ's?



In Christ.... I am sinless. I am the "righteousness of God".

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Jesus took and became MY sin... so that I could take and become HIS righteousness.

A complete and perfect exchange. In HIM... I am sinless!!!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Your statement above implies that one can have some measure of sin and be saved. I'm going to play a word game here Prax, love ya bro....

We DO have to be sinless in order to be saved. The question is... whose sinlessness must we have? Our own...or Christ's?



In Christ.... I am sinless. I am the "righteousness of God".

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Jesus took and became MY sin... so that I could take and become HIS righteousness.

A complete and perfect exchange. In HIM... I am sinless!!!

The point was, WE still sin and I refer to those that believe WE are not saved unless WE never ever eve commit a sin of our own doing

[kingdomapostle]

God ALWAYS gives us the victory and causes us to triumph. You may have to struggle but there is VICTORY!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The point was, WE still sin and I refer to those that believe WE are not saved unless WE never ever eve commit a sin of our own doing

Oh, I understood ya bro. I was just making an illustration so as to be sure no one misunderstood the implications of your statement. You're all good.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The point was, WE still sin and I refer to those that believe WE are not saved unless WE never ever eve commit a sin of our own doing

I had a study on the difference between behavior and nature. It was awesome. For example, a human being can roll around in mess like a dog...but they are still a human being by nature. Eventually that human nature will drive them to shower and get cleaned up. lol

God changed our nature. It is IMPOSSIBLE for us to live in continued sin...

1 John 3:8-10
King James Version (KJV)
8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

The AMP and NLT put it this way...

1 John 3:8-10
Amplified Bible (AMP)
8[But] he who commits sin [who practices evildoing] is of the devil [takes his character from the evil one], for the devil has sinned (violated the divine law) from the beginning. The reason the Son of God was made manifest (visible) was to undo (destroy, loosen, and dissolve) the works the devil [has done].
9No one born (begotten) of God [deliberately, knowingly, and [a]habitually] practices sin, for God's nature abides in him [His principle of life, the divine sperm, remains permanently within him]; and he cannot practice sinning because he is born (begotten) of God.
10By this it is made clear who take their nature from God and are His children and who take their nature from the devil and are his children: no one who does not practice righteousness [who does not conform to God's will in purpose, thought, and action] is of God; neither is anyone who does not love his brother (his fellow [b]believer in Christ).

1 John 3:8-10
New Living Translation (NLT)
8 But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil. 9 Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life[a] is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. 10 So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the devil. Anyone who does not live righteously and does not love other believers[b] does not belong to God.

Gotta love it!!!

Thank God for a new nature! You can act like a sinner and roll around in mess... but you're a sinless saint by nature. That indwelling Spirit will convict you until you're driving by God's own power to get cleaned up. You can rest in that.