I Am Question

[Sam]

It is my understanding that the language usually spoken by Jesus while in Jerusalem among the Jews was Aramaic. How would that read in Aramaic?

In George Lamsa's Peshitta Bible he shows this as, "Before Abraham was born, I was."

In the OJB (Orthodox Jewish Bible) it reads:
"Rebbe, Melech
HaMoshiach said to them,
Omein, omein, I say to you,
before Avraham came into
being, Ani Hu. [SHEMOT 3:4;
6:3; YESHAYAH 41:4;
43:10,13]"

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Sam

It is my understanding that the language usually spoken by Jesus while in Jerusalem among the Jews was Aramaic. How would that read in Aramaic?

In George Lamsa's Peshitta Bible he shows this as, "Before Abraham was born, I was."

In the OJB (Orthodox Jewish Bible) it reads:
"Rebbe, Melech
HaMoshiach said to them,
Omein, omein, I say to you,
before Avraham came into
being, Ani Hu. [SHEMOT 3:4;
6:3; YESHAYAH 41:4;
43:10,13]"

wow sam, I never heard of the ojb. is that a bible by jewish christians? looks interesting. can you tell us more about it?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

wow sam, I never heard of the ojb. is that a bible by jewish christians? looks interesting. can you tell us more about it?

I have it downloaded onto my computer in pdf format.
It is not real easy for me to read because of all the Jewish expressions/words/etc.

It can be purchased at Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Orthodox-Jewis.../dp/0939341042

You can see more information on it at
http://www.afii.org/

Also, on that same site if you scroll down a ways you can see where to click to download the Bible as a pdf file.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No it is not absolutely not. You could never say with a straight face "Before Abraham Lincoln was born, I exist"

Jesus did not say "I am at the store"..He ended a sentence with "I am" that was in relation to the existence of someone that died hundreds and hundreds of years earlier.

The grammar is saying, before Abraham was even born, Jesus exists, not Jesus existed, but Jesus exists.

That is such an emphatic statement even the Jews got it

Nobody else in the bible made such a statement. The issue is not "I am" the issue is HOW Jesus used the term "I AM"

you mis understand what i ment, the words are general the meaning i already explained. you trying to put words in my mouth.

1st i said it simply means i am, its the same exact words that paul used. its general.

second i went and told you specifically what the meanign ment in relationship of these scriptures. that before abraham was i existed.

so i agree no one will use this to say before abraham i exsisted, however the words i am used here is not related to the tetragramaton.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by acerrak

you mis understand what i ment, the words are general the meaning i already explained. you trying to put words in my mouth.

1st i said it simply means i am, its the same exact words that paul used. its general.

second i went and told you specifically what the meanign ment in relationship of these scriptures. that before abraham was i existed.

so i agree no one will use this to say before abraham i exsisted, however the words i am used here is not related to the tetragramaton.

My point was, that it might be the same greek words but it's not being used the same way or in the same kind of grammatical construction

Lastly it does not mean "I existed". Ego Eimi is present tense. It is being used here in connection with Ex 3:14. Ehyeh Asher Eyeh

Exo 3:14 God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And he said, "Say this to the people of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

Jesus spoke to them in Aramaic/Hebrew not Greek. Greek was how it was recorded by the narrator

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

My point was, that it might be the same greek words but it's not being used the same way or in the same kind of grammatical construction

Lastly it does not mean "I existed". Ego Eimi is present tense. It is being used here in connection with Ex 3:14. Ehyeh Asher Eyeh

Exo 3:14 God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And he said, "Say this to the people of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

Jesus spoke to them in Aramaic/Hebrew not Greek. Greek was how it was recorded by the narrator

well if you want to be correct on it it would be ego eimi ho on
I am the being.