The Beginnings of Corruption

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[QUOTE=Truth Files;1076692]"Christians by definition are indeed PRETERIST too unless you want to not believe Jesus rose from the dead.The word “preterist” or “preterism,” of course, means past fulfillment. Jesus himself was a preterist!.."

>No, He entered visibly into the stream of human history in the first century and He has always existed from the beginning .... and will continue into the infinite future

Always existed? Mary would not agree with you.She was told that God would cause the child to be conceived in her womb,Jesus was born a human being not born INTO a human being.She gave normal birth like all women do and she gave birth to a human being not a god man.

>He is also coming to the earth again visibly and purposefully which the preterist theology denies, but the scriptures confirm it

Jesus never promised a rapture or a literal physical appearing.Those disciples in Acts 1 were actually the last to see the glorified human Christ.

>And one either believes the biblical account of all of this ..... or one does not

I think I believe the biblical account


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I think you play on words with your statement above

I think I made a really good point seeing the word "preterist" means past,and there are certainly scriptures Jesus himself personally fulfilled himself thus making them "past" fulfillment

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Originally Posted by acerrak

that scripture was for the messiah only and the jews new this, it would make the ministry of the messiah, he didnt say all scriptures was fullfilled he stated this one is fullfilled. marking that the messiah, the Christ has come

I just made a point with one single scripture.HE did tell his audience and they heard him..THIS DAY is the scripture fulfilled

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Originally Posted by Truth Files

"Christians by definition are indeed PRETERIST too unless you want to not believe Jesus rose from the dead.The word “preterist” or “preterism,” of course, means past fulfillment. Jesus himself was a preterist!.."



Always existed? Mary would not agree with you.She was told that God would cause the child to be conceived in her womb,Jesus was born a human being not born INTO a human being.She gave normal birth like all women do and she gave birth to a human being not a god man.

Jesus never promised a rapture or a literal physical appearing.Those disciples in Acts 1 were actually the last to see the glorified human Christ.


I think I believe the biblical account


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I think I made a really good point seeing the word "preterist" means past,and there are certainly scriptures Jesus himself personally fulfilled himself thus making them "past" fulfillment

rapture doesnt mean literal apearing . if one translates the word its to be caught up or more correctly snatches away.

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Originally Posted by acerrak

has nothing to do with the previous scriptures.
were talking about the beginning ministry of jesus fullfilling what was spoken of by the prophet in the old testament

your scripture is talking about God opening the eyes of His disciples to understand his crucifixtion and ressurection.

His disciples mainly the apostles that was with him understood he was the messiah when he quoted isaiah 61:1

Luke 24:44
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” The Old Testament or Old Covenant.
Jesus was reminding them of what He had told them while he was stil with them. That everything must be fulfilled that was written about him in the Law of Moses, the Prophers and the Psalms. They had not understood this. Therefore He opened their understanding (minds) that they might understand what He had said to them.

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Always existed? Mary would not agree with you

I do not follow Mary and in fact she does not comment on your statement about the Lord

And I would have to say that you either do not read the Bible or you are one who does not understand the truth presented therein .... or you are intentionally making a mockery of the same

Jesus Christ has existed from the beginning of creation [even before, in the infinite past] according the the scriptures of His Word [John 1:1-14; 3:13; 14:1-10; Revelation 1:1-3; 1:8; 1:10-19]

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"rapture doesnt mean literal apearing . if one translates the word its to be caught up or more correctly snatches away"

>Absolutely correct ..... first the "snatching" [harpazo] ..... then His coming period of wrath and tribulation against an unbelieving intransigent world which will last for 2550 days [Revelation 6:12-17] ..... and then His appearing at the end of it [Matthew 24:29-31; 25:31-46] .... these gatherings are not resurrections, but gatherings of the mortal survivors of the tribulation of those days .... first of Israel and then of the nations .... some of which will be found to have become believers during the tribulation period and who supported ethnic Israelites [the Lord's brethren - His kin]

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Originally Posted by Truth Files

Always existed? Mary would not agree with you

I do not follow Mary and in fact she does not comment on your statement about the Lord

And I would have to say that you either do not read the Bible or you are one who does not understand the truth presented therein .... or you are intentionally making a mockery of the same

Jesus Christ has existed from the beginning of creation [even before, in the infinite past] according the the scriptures of His Word [John 1:1-14; 3:13; 14:1-10; Revelation 1:1-3; 1:8; 1:10-19]

Jesus is called the only BEGOTTEN Son,not the only pre existent Son..

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You are either not considering all scripture given on the subject of the Lord's eternal existence ..... or you are intentionally cooking the books

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Luke 24:44
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” The Old Testament or Old Covenant.
Jesus was reminding them of what He had told them while he was stil with them. That everything must be fulfilled that was written about him in the Law of Moses, the Prophers and the Psalms. They had not understood this. Therefore He opened their understanding (minds) that they might understand what He had said to them.

still dont understand what your getting at. you really need to take the time to go indepth at what your getting at.

cause were on 2 different pages. were talking about the fullfillment of isaiah 61:1 in luke.

Infact the prophets stoped at John the baptist. he was that last old testament prophet in my opinion

“For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.” (Matthew 11:13)

Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Did he do what He set out yes.
John 19:28-30
The Death of Jesus
28 Later, knowing that everything had now been finished, and so that Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, “I am thirsty.” 29 A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus’ lips. 30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

So Jesus Fullfilled the Law, and because he did that we can fullfill the rightous requirement through him.

however dont get confused about the fullfilling of the law with prophecies of the second Comming. The law was fullfilled at the cross and the ressurection.

The second comming is the return of the Lord for His beloved church/ Body of believers which has not happened yet.

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"The second comming is the return of the Lord for His beloved church/ Body of believers which has not happened yet"

>Absolutely