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Old 06-15-2011, 03:29 PM
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I thought Newt was very impressive, despite my hard feelings towards him.

I think Cain runs the risk of making himself unelectable unless he tones down his right-winged talking points.

Bachman was impressive too. The Democrats need to see her as a valid threat, because she is.

Bachman is no Palin-- and that's a VERY good thing!
I agree, Newt was very impressive. But, he threw Paul Ryan under the bus and his explaining of that was not enough at the debate. He is intelligent enough to know that you can put out a strong talking point that will keep you in the media. He choose the wrong one when he said that Ryan's plan was "Social Right-Wing Engineering." He may have wanted to keep himself in the limelight, but it is a negative limelight. It continues to make him look like he is not really loyal to a Conservative mindset.

I like that Cain speaks straight up with no hedging. Although, he is viewed as embracing Keynesian economics.

Bachman would make an awesome woman president. The best I have seen.
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Old 06-15-2011, 05:10 PM
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Yikes....Bachmann as President scares me even more than Palin as President. Palin may be a policy lightweight, but at least she's not crazy like Bachmann. Some of the stuff that Bachmann has said makes Palin look like a genius.

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I'm surprised JD would consider her a valid threat to Democrats. For the record, if it came down between Palin and Bachmann ... I'd rather have Palin. I wouldn't vote for either, but I'd rather have Palin than Bachmann.
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Old 06-15-2011, 06:03 PM
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Re: Republican Debate Tonight on CNN!!!

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I liked everyone, but feel that Romney is more establishment than anyone present. So, I can't be happy with him. He pulled a politically correct answer on the Muslim issue. Herman Cain was straight forward and I'm glad that Newt chimed in to take up for him. Which, Newt was actually putting out his point, but it did help Cain.

Newt is so stinking sharp on issues. He knows his stuff, but I'm afraid he's done. He did look a lot better at this debate than what the media has been putting out.

I've read that some thought Cain was weak, but I didn't think he was at all. However, I still don't think the American people will go for someone without experience in office. He will be put somewhere, though, when we get Obama out.

The only two people, IMO, who have the guts to stand up and put forth policy, repeal bad policy for the American people would be Bachmann and Ron Paul. They would go the distance on any issue. However, I don't think many would want to vote for Ron. He does scare them a bit and I just don't know what he would do on every foreign issue policy. That scares me. LOL! Bachmann did a great job as well. She may get stronger. That will be very interesting to watch.

I liked Santorum, but I don't think he can get the nomination.

I really did like Pawlenty. He did a good job. So, I think he impressed me more than anyone else. I'm expecting he will poll above Romney.
Pawlenty was in favor of cap and trade ,a dem money scam for chi town buddies of bo.
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Yikes....Bachmann as President scares me even more than Palin as President. Palin may be a policy lightweight, but at least she's not crazy like Bachmann. Some of the stuff that Bachmann has said makes Palin look like a genius.





I'm surprised JD would consider her a valid threat to Democrats. For the record, if it came down between Palin and Bachmann ... I'd rather have Palin. I wouldn't vote for either, but I'd rather have Palin than Bachmann.
Can you verify those quotes and give some context while you're at it....'cause I could come up with some beauts, use the quote function and verbally slap around any number of dems....or whoever it is you think is a genius.
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Old 06-16-2011, 01:19 PM
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Yikes....Bachmann as President scares me even more than Palin as President. Palin may be a policy lightweight, but at least she's not crazy like Bachmann. Some of the stuff that Bachmann has said makes Palin look like a genius.

I'm surprised JD would consider her a valid threat to Democrats. For the record, if it came down between Palin and Bachmann ... I'd rather have Palin. I wouldn't vote for either, but I'd rather have Palin than Bachmann.
Neither Bachmann nor Palin would hurt this country's policies or it's economy like Obama. And I do agree with something that Romney said at the NH debate - Anyone on this platform would make a better president than Obama.
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Pawlenty was in favor of cap and trade ,a dem money scam for chi town buddies of bo.
At least he didn't dance around it.

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"Have I changed by position?" he said. "Yes. But I'm not going to be cute about it, hem and haw, be dippy and dancy about it. Just saying yeah, it was a mistake, it was stupid. It was wrong."
Don't get me wrong, I haven't thrown my hat in for Pawlenty, but I was impressed with him at the debate.

I think that, like Romney, many people have this view of Global Warming - The are not sure whether or not it is totally man-made, part of the cycles of the planet, or both. They don't really care. They only are concerned with human beings burdening the planet in a way that is not sustainable. My opinion is that pollution is real and it is affecting the planet in some ways.

Hence, we bring in cap and trade. I don't blame some of them for believing it could help and finding out it's just a mistake. Like Pawlenty said, "Now have I had a few clunkers along the way? Yeah, but anybody who's running who has been in office, has a few clunkers. I think mine are fewer and less severe than most."

So, let's look at what else we can find out about Pawlenty. He has an "A" rating at the Cato Institute Report Card for Governors.
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Re: Republican Debate Tonight on CNN!!!

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Neither Bachmann nor Palin would hurt this country's policies or it's economy like Obama. And I do agree with something that Romney said at the NH debate - Anyone on this platform would make a better president than Obama.
Problem is, it is the banks that run the economy of the USA and much of the world for that matter. If you noticed the list of supporters that I posted in another thread, both Bush and Obama were heavily supported by banks (Bush, more so, but so what). Point is, no matter who we get as President, they are subject to the dictates of the Fed and the banks.
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Problem is, it is the banks that run the economy of the USA and much of the world for that matter. If you noticed the list of supporters that I posted in another thread, both Bush and Obama were heavily supported by banks (Bush, more so, but so what). Point is, no matter who we get as President, they are subject to the dictates of the Fed and the banks.
I agree with you on that point, Adam. Guess Ron Paul doesn't stand a chance.
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Does any credible person believe in "Global Warming" any more?
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Re: Republican Debate Tonight on CNN!!!

It is one of my passions to follow these things. Here is my analysis of the debate.

1) Mitt Romney walked out looking pretty good. No one attacked him, and Pawlenty backed away from a frontal assault.

2) Michelle Bachmann came out looking like a serious candidate for the office, or a suitable vice if Romney wants to shore up his conservative cred like McCain did.

3) Pawlenty hurt himself by attacking Romney, backing out of a direct confrontation, and then attacking again outside of the debate. This make him look weak and uncertain. It also portrays Romney as operating from a place of incredible strength.

4) Santorum and Paul were seen to be interesting, but not steady long term candidates who will gain a lot of support. Once this race kicks into high gear, they will outstrip the base of support they have and be done before many of the primaries have passed.

5) Gingrich is a dead duck. He is excellent in the debate, but as soon as the issue actually turns to strong family values he is going to be destroyed. He is on his third marriage, delivered the divorce papers to his second wife while she was in the hospital, etc. His stunts with the cruise and jewelry store will not help him either.

6) Cain performed well, but seemed to be better situated to handle monetary policy rather than the general policy that a president has to have. I think that he should consider running for Treasury Secretary in the new President's Cabinet.

7) The moderator was a ham handed political pundit. As soon as a candidate said something that he did not like, he would try to cut them off. Some as soon as four seconds into their time. He also attempted to put words in their mouth which leads to my next point.

8) The 30 sec rule was a painful joke. He wanted to ask questions, and just receive a yes/no answer, when it actually needed a detailed response.

9) Of the Candidates, Romney and Bachmann came across as the most presidential and prepared for the debate. Gingrich and Pawlenty showed the weaknesses in their runs. Gingrich with his being on both sides of the last several issues that he has addressed, and Pawlenty being to uncomfortable taking up the fight when the person is actually present.

10) Paul showed that he has some good ideas, but as always seems to come across as a slightly crazy but harmless relative.

11) Santorum is a male copy of Bachmann. He does not have her looks and style, and that will put an end to his campaign.

12) Cain should use this time to make himself indispensable to the next administration on fiscal policy.

I believe that in a short time Gingrich will be out and possibly may take Santorum out with him. Mitt Romney has this in the bag, but it is his race to lose. The only one who will be able to make a real race of it immediately is Gov. Perry of Texas. He would come in a very strong 2nd to Romney. Bachmann will probably be the on the short list of people for the #2 on the ticket.

These are just some of my guesses and instincts from a point that (to borrow from Herman Cain) "is just too early yet."
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