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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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I agree with it, since he defines what he means by "holiness" in the second half of the statement:
"We must not seek peace at the expense of holiness, valuing harmonious relationships more than standing for truth and obeying God’s will."
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Exactly. I thought it was self definitive. Nothing is more important than obeying God's will.
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05-18-2011, 08:11 PM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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David K. Bernard "We must not seek peace at the expense of holiness, valuing harmonious relationships more than standing for truth and obeying God’s will."
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IF it is about Standards, my problem is the implied message I hear from a lot of conservatives. People that no longer believe in standards are labeled compromisers or some other pejorative term. These people just can't come to grips that some people studied the word and had a change of doctrine, not a change of heart (backsliden)
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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IF it is about Standards, my problem is the implied message I hear from a lot of conservatives. People that no longer believe in standards are labeled compromisers or some other pejorative term. These people just can't come to grips that some people studied the word and had a change of doctrine, not a change of heart (backsliden)
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People will make of it what they want to of course, but it's not implied that dress is singled out, though I can't imagine anyone would deny the will of God for us includes dress.
If it's code-speak then I refuse to "get it". LOL!
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05-18-2011, 09:14 PM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
My point is, if it was, his "peace for Holiness" is a strawman arguement. People give up standards because they just don't believe they are biblical
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- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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05-18-2011, 09:34 PM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
Thank God for peace...God's peace...When Jesus Christ came into my life HIS peace and holiness came...Both come from HIM.
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05-18-2011, 09:50 PM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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People will make of it what they want to of course, but it's not implied that dress is singled out, though I can't imagine anyone would deny the will of God for us includes dress.
If it's code-speak then I refuse to "get it". LOL!
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That is part of the problem. Many of the good people are pretending it's not code speak and many other good people who don't share his beliefs on such issues are labeled as backsliders or heretics. Unity rarely comes from statements such as these. I do not know of any christian who believes that holiness is not necessary to salvation, even if they differ on what that may look like.
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05-18-2011, 10:25 PM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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That is part of the problem. Many of the good people are pretending it's not code speak and many other good people who don't share his beliefs on such issues are labeled as backsliders or heretics. Unity rarely comes from statements such as these. I do not know of any christian who believes that holiness is not necessary to salvation, even if they differ on what that may look like.
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I'm not "pretending" it's not code speak; it very well could be. However, I don't like to assume, and he didn't elaborate so that's that. 
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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David K. Bernard "We must not seek peace at the expense of holiness, valuing harmonious relationships more than standing for truth and obeying God’s will."
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He is obviously referring to standards of dress. But when he made the clause at the end saying, "valuing harmonious relationships more than standing for truth and obeying God’s will" he was indicating that that principle is what he uses and applies to the standards issue. I agree with the clause he mentioned. I disagree that the standards he espouses are an issue to be concerned with as per that clause, though. But the basis of his view is the clause, and the clause is right on the button.
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05-19-2011, 08:44 AM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
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At face value, I would say I agree. We should never compromise our convictions in order for us to have "harmonious relationships" with others. However, I find it necessary to withhold full agreement until I know what he's referring to as "holiness". By "holiness", is he referring to UPC "standards"? Standards do not always equal "holiness". The two terms are not necessarily the same.
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Exactly. I thought it was self definitive. Nothing is more important than obeying God's will.
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I agree with the statement for the reasons bolded above. Whether he was talking about "standards" or not, each has their own convictions, if convictions are to be defined as the will of God in our own personal lives the I agree with the statement in full.
Of course the harsh truth here is what anyone wants to make of it. That will depend on who you are and what attitudes you may have with UPC. Notice this same sentence.
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning someone said it, but it wasn't me.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning I was misquoted.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning he obviously is fat, but I wasn't impolitic enough to say so.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning, I was talking about someone else.)
I did not say that he was fat. (Meaning, I merely pointed out that he is wider than he is tall. I might have used the word "stocky.")
There is a positive message in what he said, it's just whether you want to look at it that way or not.
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05-19-2011, 11:21 AM
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Re: David Bernard - Is this statement biblical or
well we can be different and still be friends...
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