150th Anniversary - Page 2

Esaias · #11 06-21-2013, 08:28 AM

Judging from the developing attitudes throughout the nation, I'd say the next evolution of the CSA will not be limited to Dixie.

RamoneWooddell · #12 06-21-2013, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Judging from the developing attitudes throughout the nation, I'd say the next evolution of the CSA will not be limited to Dixie.

It is quite interesting to think of the possibilities. Though probably the New England and Mid-east would become their own with the West becoming their own. But they will have to get around the 16th Amendment to do so. The CSA is not held to this stipulation because she is occupied territory.

Esaias · #13 06-21-2013, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RamoneWooddell

It is quite interesting to think of the possibilities. Though probably the New England and Mid-east would become their own with the West becoming their own. But they will have to get around the 16th Amendment to do so. The CSA is not held to this stipulation because she is occupied territory.

There is a movement afoot to have all 50 states secede from DC, close it down, and start over with the Committee of the States, selecting a new national government, and throwing the existing bums out (and into prison, hopefully).

MarcBee · #14 06-21-2013, 05:19 PM

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You are correct in that the UNITED STATES INC did impose an illegal authority... This was in fact the invasion of a tyrant rogue government...

...The CSA was not in rebellion to the US, she was a separate and distinct Government.

When it comes to such matters (at least at this level of governmental sovereinty) the crux of matter becomes not what a law book says, but whether or not you (the rebels) have the power to back up the claim. For example, try saying to your wife, "I divorce thee, I divorce thee, I divorce thee." That would have worked 3000 years ago in Jewish culture, but not today in our culture. But if you have the force to back it up, the situation may be different. As it turned out, the CSA could not back up the claim, at the cost of eventually 600,000 very human lives! So, maybe just try again if Y'all disagree. (Speaking rhetorically.)

Jermyn Davidson · #15 06-21-2013, 11:42 PM

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No he doesn't.

He said, "The CSA was not in rebellion to the US, she was a separate and distinct Government. There would have been peace between the two countries if only the US had removed their Federal troops from CSA land."

The south did not have the right to separate and become their own country in the first place.

This logic is ludicrous and does not have any LEGAL leg to stand on! Did the southern states have Federal representation in Washington BEFORE the Civil War? What were the titles of those elected representatives-- Goodwill Ambassadors to a country that was occupying their land? Give me a break!

So no, he doesn't rock. I am glad we are a UNITED country and that war was a just war and necessary for the survival, peace and prosperity of our great land.

Yes, sometimes war is necessary in order to secure the peace.

Jermyn Davidson · #16 06-21-2013, 11:54 PM

In the context of this discussion, some southerners are just plain silly.

The "south" will not rise again except our America, as we know it, collapses tragically and miserably. Let me add that NONE of the silly, romantic ideas of a "strong south" will be a reality for many, many years after the ruin of our great United States of America.

These bozos hope for the destruction of our great country in exchange for a pipe dream.

GET A CLUE!

The grass isn't greener in your make believe world! That's just your own rotting, raw sewage you see and your senses are to dull to smell the difference!

But if you bozos one day get to have it your way, you will definitely taste and eat the straw of your own manure strewn fields.

Why don't the dummies that are so dissatisfied with our great land simply leave!

Chances are, most Americans don't want you and your stupid "little" nightmares around anyway!

LEAVE!

GET OUT!

GO AWAY!

Fight and kill yourselves and other people for their lands! Try to rob it from them and when you are successful, establish your own country there.

Let the south rise again-- in Antarctica where the fighting, suffering, vengeance and bloodshed you thirst for will cost relatively few problems, few lives and you can live there and hopefully die in the misery of your own bliss as you finally have the country where everyone thinks and looks just like you!

Jermyn Davidson · #17 06-22-2013, 12:04 AM

csa my right pinky toe!

I got your csa for you right here!
http://www.wwp.greenwichmeantime.com...antarctica.jpg

MarcBee · #18 06-22-2013, 04:39 AM

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In the context of this discussion, some southerners are just plain silly.

The "south" will not rise again except our America,
(big snip)

LEAVE!

GET OUT!

GO AWAY! !

JD, "The South's a-Gwinna Rise Agin" was a song by Bocephus; its primary use being an aid for drinking beer from pickup trucks.

"Sufficient are the troubles" of our own day.
Maybe watch your blood pressure,

RamoneWooddell · #19 06-22-2013, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MarcBee

When it comes to such matters (at least at this level of governmental sovereinty) the crux of matter becomes not what a law book says, but whether or not you (the rebels) have the power to back up the claim. For example, try saying to your wife, "I divorce thee, I divorce thee, I divorce thee." That would have worked 3000 years ago in Jewish culture, but not today in our culture. But if you have the force to back it up, the situation may be different. As it turned out, the CSA could not back up the claim, at the cost of eventually 600,000 very human lives! So, maybe just try again if Y'all disagree. (Speaking rhetorically.)

Ah, but you are viewing the United States of America from this side of the Northern Aggression. It should be remembered that it is the UNITED STATES which should have honored its constitutional limits and been submissive to the United States of America. The Declaration of Independence, and Articles of Confederation both allowed the "divorce" from the United States of America. It is the attitude of which you have which you seem to have which caused the war in the first place. Not the Confederate States of America.

RamoneWooddell · #20 06-22-2013, 05:14 AM

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No he doesn't.

He said, "The CSA was not in rebellion to the US, she was a separate and distinct Government. There would have been peace between the two countries if only the US had removed their Federal troops from CSA land."

The south did not have the right to separate and become their own country in the first place.

This logic is ludicrous and does not have any LEGAL leg to stand on! Did the southern states have Federal representation in Washington BEFORE the Civil War? What were the titles of those elected representatives-- Goodwill Ambassadors to a country that was occupying their land? Give me a break!

Would you care to show us where in the Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution of the United States that says the Confederate of the United States of America could not?