James Kilgore's Part in the 92 Affirmation Debacle

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Chateau d'If

In an ironic twist of fate, JK's own son's ideology aligns with the group of men that he and Westberg desperately worked to remove.

And apparently Papa Kilgore embraces his son's direction.

[Scott Hutchinson]

This might help.
http://www.spiritualabuse.org/issues/affirmation.html

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Chateau d'If

In Fudge's book, he states a different opinion.

He says that Kilgore did not regret that the Affirmation Statement was passed, only that he spoke in favor of it. He regretted that he did not research the resolution, and its author, before speaking for it.

I understand that as being regret for the "whole affair."

I haven't spoken to Brother Kilgore since about 1993 or so and I never personally pressed him about this - I didn't have the nerve. He said at the time - and these are the last words I recall him saying in person, "I'll walk all the way from Houston to plead with any preacher who is going resign to reconsider..." He said the same thing from the pulpit at GC.

I've still got a place for him in my home whenever he gets here.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Chateau d'If

In an ironic twist of fate, JK's own son's ideology aligns with the group of men that he and Westberg desperately worked to remove.

You beat me to it with this post! I was thinking the same thing. Of couse I always wonder how much is true about how liberal the son is. Sometimes I heard some guy is a lib and then you hear them railing against makeup and jewelry, etc just like any other "good" UPC preacher.

[ReformedDave]

My father died the next year. I've often wondered how it's affects would set with him....

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

pel, what did bro. kilgore say that was misleading?

"99% of the General Board supports this Resolution..."

The actual numbers came down to something between 60 - 66% or so. He could have said, "The GB overwhelmingly supports this resolution..." and been quite correct, but Bro. Urshan was being pressed for a number.

It was the fact that he spoke at all that carried so much weight, however, my feelings and recollections are that for anyone to give anything less than a figure that represented "wholehearted approval" by the GB would have doomed the resolution.

[Scott Hutchinson]

http://www.rickross.com/reference/upci/upci23.html

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Chateau d'If

In Fudge's book, he states a different opinion.

He says that Kilgore did not regret that the Affirmation Statement was passed, only that he spoke in favor of it. He regretted that he did not research the resolution, and its author, before speaking for it.

The idea that Bro. Kilgore was somehow "unfamiliar" with both Leonard Westberg and Paul Price seems silly. Brother Westberg's venom was infamous and legendary.

Perhaps Bro. Kilgore is referring here to just how Westberg's statment about "the Movement needing a bowel movement..." was intended. I don't know.

[Chateau d'If]

The affirmation is now "signed" every other year by clicking one button on a computer screen. Also, I know of virtually no ministers who agree with everything in the fundamental doctrine and holiness sections of the manual. There are thousands of nonconformists clicking that little button without really considering the consequences.

A few years ago I spoke to my presbyter as well as my District Superintendent and told them I could no longer sign it in good conscience. They both said to sign it anyway because it's understood that no one agrees with everything in the manual.

[Scott Hutchinson]

http://www.spiritualabuse.org/history/fudgewhy.html