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Old 04-01-2011, 12:06 AM
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That is absoultely horrifying. What a terrible tragedy. "Apostolic ministers", what has that 3 step, speak in tongues doctrine done to change someones life...
I'm still trying to figure out if they are Apostolic as most of us would define Apostolic, much less three step or one step. Were they still ordained by any denomination or recognized as ministers by any Apostolic group? Were any of them attending an Apostolic church regularly? (From the articles I'm reading, they may not have been.)
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Please don't forget the "Please Pray For Her Family" part, especially her parents, two good God fearing people, and her three children, the oldest of whom is only 5. This sort of thing doesn't happen here in Southeast Ohio, and this whole ordeal has rocked the little community where I grew up as well as the entire region.
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Old 04-01-2011, 12:21 AM
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That is absoultely horrifying. What a terrible tragedy. "Apostolic ministers", what has that 3 step, speak in tongues doctrine done to change someones life-nothing. tongues speakers can be just a svile as the world. We need a real relationship with Jesus Christ, and it doesn't come by tongues. BTW I'm not trying to hijack this thread with the initial evidence doctrine, but my point is people like this, literally murderers can minister in "apostolic" churches largely because apostolics have such a tendancy to equate that with redemption, and it has nothing to do with redemption, and because of that, now great shame is upon the church, and much worse and unnecessary damage has been done to a family, and it didn't have to be this way.
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Old 04-01-2011, 12:29 AM
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I'm still trying to figure out if they are Apostolic as most of us would define Apostolic, much less three step or one step. Were they still ordained by any denomination or recognized as ministers by any Apostolic group? Were any of them attending an Apostolic church regularly? (From the articles I'm reading, they may not have been.)
They were ordained in 2008. I was present at the ordination service. Whether they still held ordination at the time, I can't say. There was nothing from fellowshipping with them that would ever lead me to believe they could do something like this. The elder would say some things behind the pulpit that would make you scratch your head sometimes, and the younger I have to admit seemed a little strange, but never in my wildest nightmares did I ever think they were capable of something so horrible.
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That is absoultely horrifying. What a terrible tragedy. "Apostolic ministers", what has that 3 step, speak in tongues doctrine done to change someones life-nothing. tongues speakers can be just a svile as the world. We need a real relationship with Jesus Christ, and it doesn't come by tongues. BTW I'm not trying to hijack this thread with the initial evidence doctrine, but my point is people like this, literally murderers can minister in "apostolic" churches largely because apostolics have such a tendancy to equate that with redemption, and it has nothing to do with redemption, and because of that, now great shame is upon the church, and much worse and unnecessary damage has been done to a family, and it didn't have to be this way.
Since evidently you despise the three step doctrine simply dis associate yourself from it and we who believe the doctrine will have to bear the reproach.

Notwithstanding we could probably find many articles on the net describing heinous acts committed by "believe only" ministers.
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Jason that is asinine. What these people did had nothing to do with doctrine. People of all doctrinal flavors have gone bad and done bad things
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Since evidently you despise the three step doctrine simply dis associate yourself from it and we who believe the doctrine will have to bear the reproach.


Notwithstanding we could probably find many articles on the net describing heinous acts committed by "believe only" ministers
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Or prisons full of men who "accepted" the Lord in Sunday School.
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I'll pray for the woman's family and the community. This is beyond describable in words.
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Jason that is asinine. What these people did had nothing to do with doctrine. People of all doctrinal flavors have gone bad and done bad things
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