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03-21-2011, 04:22 PM
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Re: Abusive Preachers
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Comparing this phenomena - of "putting up with fools" - with the phenomena of an abused house wife is a good comparison to make. There really does end up being a pathological environment whereby those being abused actually enable the abusers. I've seen it time and time again, and I was probably a big enabler myself for years.
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There is definitely a two way street. Abusive authority would only have tiny fraction of the power they currently posses (if that even) if it wasn't given to them by their willing followers.
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03-21-2011, 09:45 PM
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Re: Abusive Preachers
I think you find this abuse mostly hand in hand with an emphasis on "obey your pastor"
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03-21-2011, 09:53 PM
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Re: Abusive Preachers
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What denomination is irrelevant, the comments were toward the post, subject and topic -- not the UPC.
And to be clear, Pixler is NOT UPC. Though they'd be lucky to have a dozen Pixler's.
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OOps, thought he was.
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03-21-2011, 09:55 PM
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Re: Abusive Preachers
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I think you find this abuse mostly hand in hand with an emphasis on "obey your pastor"
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.......and touch not mine anointed followed by rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. Oh yes, and double honor also tends to make its way in.
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03-21-2011, 09:57 PM
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Re: Abusive Preachers
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.......and touch not mine anointed followed by rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. Oh yes, and double honor also tends to make its way in.
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Right, those all go hand in hand.
BTW in my thread on priorities some how "rules and regulations" got limited to standards, but that was never my intent. Rules and regulations includes "touch not my anointed" and "Obey the pastor" as opposed to feeding the flock spiritual food meant to grow, not keep them attached to one man as over lord.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-21-2011, 10:00 PM
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Re: Abusive Preachers
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Right, those all go hand in hand.
BTW in my thread on priorities some how "rules and regulations" got limited to standards, but that was never my intent. Rules and regulations includes "touch not my anointed" and "Obey the pastor" as opposed to feeding the flock spiritual food meant to grow, not keep them attached to one man as over lord.
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This is why I have personally redefined an UC church as one where the pastor is given god-like control over his flock versus a church where the standards are strict. Now even though the rules and standards in a UC church usually ARE strict, they are not in every case. I have heard of one or two personally and many more through testimonies I've read where the church's were quite liberal standard-wise yet the pastor was still considered the right-hand of God Himself and acted that way.
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03-21-2011, 11:08 PM
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Re: Abusive Preachers
Very good article.
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03-22-2011, 02:00 PM
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Re: Abusive Preachers
Brother Pixler is a great man of God! I have heard him preach at many WPF functions!
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03-22-2011, 02:13 PM
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Re: Abusive Preachers
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Brother Pixler is a great man of God! I have heard him preach at many WPF functions!
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I'm sure a man will preach wherever he's invited, but even despite Pixler's UC independent background, relationships with WPF conferences somehow surprises me still.
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03-22-2011, 02:15 PM
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Re: Abusive Preachers
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Brother Pixler is a great man of God! I have heard him preach at many WPF functions!
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Even though he seems to have embraced the use of video in his services?
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