Encouraged - Page 2

Austin · #11 03-21-2011, 08:09 AM

If you want to know how the Baptist Churches feel about pentecostals:? Ask me I've been through that fire..

But Hoovie! you are on the right track concerning the truth and understanding of our Lord Jesus. He said let your light shine. You know sometimes what we have when others see it they want it too. And you will be surprised how many people that are starving in main stream christianity for more than what they have.Also, there are also those who have not received a good understanding of the Bible. And I know that sounds strange but it is very true.
A person who I know that is a Lutheran and has been one for fifty years. Told me that his pastor told them that they did not have the right to baptise anyone. That he only had that right.
After I took about fifteen minutes at coffee with this guy and showed him the scriptures, he was astonished at what he read. He then went back to the Lutheran Church and told the elders and deacons and showed them where the scriptures supported baptism. and yes, I did show in Jesus name..
So you know a lot of people are where they are because someone has convinced them in what they believe. You will be atonished when on a one to one contact what people do actually believe verses how they present it.

Charnock · #12 03-21-2011, 08:23 AM

So, Hoovie is encouraged because what he believes doesn't really matter? Why be OP if you don't think the doctrine is important?

ILG · #13 03-21-2011, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Charnock

So, Hoovie is encouraged because what he believes doesn't really matter? Why be OP if you don't think the doctrine is important?

Because you're married into it???

I'm serious. That's no joking matter.

Hoovie · #14 03-21-2011, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Charnock

So, Hoovie is encouraged because what he believes doesn't really matter? Why be OP if you don't think the doctrine is important?

I am on a short break and posting from the phone...

Never did I imply what I believe doesn't matter. Quite the opposite actually. I am sorry if you feel all OPs should be elitist and sectarian. Personally I am sorry that any are.

Please, help me understand your perspective better. Do you feel all non OPs are lost?

onefaith2 · #15 03-21-2011, 11:15 AM

What helped me see something of a chance is not secluding our doctrine to OP churches. According to Acts 22:16 it is possible for the person being baptized to call on the name of the Lord. Even if the preacher is saying F, S, and HG or f, S, HG, and Jesus like so many are doing now, the name of Jesus is being called upon! Secondly the HG is filling baptists, methodists, COG, AOG, and Op's not to mention charismatic Catholics, Lutherans, Presbyterians, etc.

That does not mean we aren't preaching the salvation plan Jesus intended us to preach! That just means Jesus is moving in other churches, despite doctrinal differences, because he moves on faith, and the HG will lead all of us into more truth!

And the fact that righteousness is given to us by faith, that righteousness of repentance has always been recognized at least to a certain point, whether publicly or silently.

If we follow Acts 19, the acts 2:38 message is meant to build up, not tear down. Paul was interested if they had received the HG since they believed. He didn't know they weren't believers in Jesus. Most denominal people can fit into Acts 19, minus the part about not believing on Christ yet.

Pressing-On · #16 03-21-2011, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

I am on a short break and posting from the phone...

Never did I imply what I believe doesn't matter. Quite the opposite actually. I am sorry if you feel all OPs should be elitist and sectarian. Personally I am sorry that any are.

Please, help me understand your perspective better. Do you feel all non OPs are lost?

I think that many of us, especially those not raised OP, see that God is involved in lives all around us and all are on a journey, because we have been and are still on a journey with God.

I am reminded of how Jesus instructed the disciples regarding those that refused to follow with them:

"And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. (50) And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us." )Luke 9:49-50)

And how His disciples handled those that didn't quite have full understanding:

"And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly." (Acts 18:26)

"He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost." (Acts 19:2)

While standing on what we believe is truth, we should never disparage another person's relationship on the journey. That would be like saying God is not involved in an individual's life, at any stage, and that is just not true.

onefaith2 · #17 03-21-2011, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I think that many of us, especially those not raised OP, see that God is involved in lives all around us and all are on a journey, because we have been and are still on a journey with God.

I am reminded of how Jesus instructed the disciples regarding those that refused to follow with them:

"And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. (50) And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us." )Luke 9:49-50)

And how His disciples handled those that didn't quite have full understanding:

"And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly." (Acts 18:26)

"He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost." (Acts 19:2)

While standing on what we believe is truth, we should never disparage another person's relationship on the journey. That would be like saying God is not involved in an individual's life, at any stage, and that is just not true.

Another wisdom filled post!

Austin · #18 03-21-2011, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I think that many of us, especially those not raised OP, see that God is involved in lives all around us and all are on a journey, because we have been and are still on a journey with God.

I am reminded of how Jesus instructed the disciples regarding those that refused to follow with them:

"And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. (50) And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us." )Luke 9:49-50)

And how His disciples handled those that didn't quite have full understanding:

"And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly." (Acts 18:26)

"He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost." (Acts 19:2)

While standing on what we believe is truth, we should never disparage another person's relationship on the journey. That would be like saying God is not involved in an individual's life, at any stage, and that is just not true.

That hit the nail right on the head// Excellent reply and full of real truth.

Charnock · #19 03-21-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

I am on a short break and posting from the phone...

Never did I imply what I believe doesn't matter. Quite the opposite actually. I am sorry if you feel all OPs should be elitist and sectarian. Personally I am sorry that any are.

Please, help me understand your perspective better. Do you feel all non OPs are lost?

If you believe people are saved without obeying Acts 2:38 then you are, in effect, admitting that classic Oneness Water/Spirit doctrine is not important.

I do not feel OP's are sectarian and elitists. They simply believe what they believe.

You, on the other hand, seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Charnock · #20 03-21-2011, 01:50 PM

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Posted by Hoovie:

My friend responded, "I don't know that has really changed, while I stand firm on Acts 2:38, I consider the fellow ministers in our community my brothers and call them that as well. Furthermore, I have said many of us will be surprised at who all will be in heaven!"

How can you stand firm on Acts 2:38, yet believe that people who refuse to submit to baptism in the name of Jesus are okay, saved etc.?

Your position is very duplicitous. You either believe the doctrine, or you don't.

It sounds like you don't.