The Wisdom of Kid Rock

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by CC1

Anyone who looks to Kid Rock for any kind of guidance is sorely lacking in judgement in my opinion! LOL

I am amazed why anybody thinks these uneducated (for the most part) celebrities have any credibility.

In this instance he does speak some truth as a large part of America is not Evangelical Fundamentalist Christian and they don't understand them as they have only been fed stereotypical and for the most part untrue information. Because of that they fear politicians who actually have any kind of strong religious belief system.

Kid Rock has the same amount of credibility that you and I do, CC1. He's an American, has the right to express his opinion, and he did. Funny thing....when it's an uneducated preacher that spouts off, we say, "The foolishness of preaching" (brutally taken out of context), but when it's a singer, he's suddenly an uneducated celebrity with no credibility.

So CC1, what is the "stereotypical and for the most part, untrue information" that non-Christians have been fed about Evangelical Fundamentalist Christians?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Austin

Yes I watched that when the comment was made. It's again the spirit of compromise which is a type of antichrist spirit that is to come. But in the world and in the world government one can expect such ignorance.Our government right now is so much like Rome it probably won't make much difference who is running the country things are still going to be unjust.

Wait, WHAT??? Kid Rock's statement was the spirit of compromise which is a type of the antichrist spirit??? Are you serious???

[CC1]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Kid Rock has the same amount of credibility that you and I do, CC1. He's an American, has the right to express his opinion, and he did. Funny thing....when it's an uneducated preacher that spouts off, we say, "The foolishness of preaching" (brutally taken out of context), but when it's a singer, he's suddenly an uneducated celebrity with no credibility.

So CC1, what is the "stereotypical and for the most part, untrue information" that non-Christians have been fed about Evangelical Fundamentalist Christians?

As an American Kid Rock has as much right as you and I do to make his opinons known but being an American does not make you intelligent or knowledgable about a subject you are pontificating on.

Many Americans, particularly those in the Northeast where this are few fundamentalist / Evangelical churches, think that all fundamentalist Christians are bigoted, intolerant, and hate people. I have never seen conservative Christian views properly relayed in any secular media I can recall.

I have also friends and relatives who have lived in the Northeast and they relate the same thing. For many Americans their view of Christianity is Roman Catholocism, Epsicopal, or Presbytarian. So they see church as either cold and impersonal or a bunch of bigoted Bible thumping rednecks.

I remember listening to some "expert" on NPR sometime in the last year expressing her dismay that fundamentalist Christians did not believe people of other faiths were going to heaven. She made it seem like this was a terrible and bigoted thing rather than having a context to put those views within. The context of a loving Heavenly Father who wants all reconciled to him and made that possible through his Son Jesus Christ. These lib experts seem to conventiently overlook the scripture where Jesus clearly states that he is the only doorway to heaven.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by canam

Ya, but a Koran thumping one is ok!Its always the Christains who are the problem.Oh and of course its ok to elect one who did smoke pot(but didnt inhale)The only thing Kid Rock has any disernable expertise in is hot babes !

Amazing how the rhetoric jumps so many levels so quickly and we instantly turn it into pro-koran, Clinton and inhaling. But speaking of the koran, am I the only one who wouldn't have a problem with an openly Islamic president? You right-wingers....what if there were a STRONGLY conservative candidate, as strong and influential as Reagan, and he was Muslim? Would you vote for him? Let's suppose he ran against Hillary Clinton, who would you vote for?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Amazing how the rhetoric jumps so many levels so quickly and we instantly turn it into pro-koran, Clinton and inhaling. But speaking of the koran, am I the only one who wouldn't have a problem with an openly Islamic president? You right-wingers....what if there were a STRONGLY conservative candidate, as strong and influential as Reagan, and he was Muslim? Would you vote for him? Let's suppose he ran against Hillary Clinton, who would you vote for?

Unlike Christianity the Muslim faith has as a key component the compulsion to conquer other people and convert them to Islam and if they don't do that enslave or kill them. For that reason and more I would not vote for a conservative Muslim.

Unlike you I am sure I beleive America was founded as a Christian nation.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Amazing how the rhetoric jumps so many levels so quickly and we instantly turn it into pro-koran, Clinton and inhaling. But speaking of the koran, am I the only one who wouldn't have a problem with an openly Islamic president? You right-wingers....what if there were a STRONGLY conservative candidate, as strong and influential as Reagan, and he was Muslim? Would you vote for him? Let's suppose he ran against Hillary Clinton, who would you vote for?

Great question. Start another thread in the politics section.

Me? I would not likely vote for him unless he was very pro conservative Christian - and that's not likely.

[RandyWayne]

I would vote for a Hindu, practicing Jew, or Seventh day before ever voting for a Muslim. In fact the last guy I voted for (in the primaries) was a Mormon.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by CC1

As an American Kid Rock has as much right as you and I do to make his opinons known but being an American does not make you intelligent or knowledgable about a subject you are pontificating on.

••Of course not. But America was built on the shoulders of the common man, the farmer, the horse trader, the general store owner, and the guitarist. The original design of our political system was to include people just like Kid Rock, just like you, and just like me. We've gone FAR away from those roots to the era of the professional politician and sometimes I wonder if we just might be better off with people like Kid Rock, people like you, and people like me, in charge of all this.

Many Americans, particularly those in the Northeast where this are few fundamentalist / Evangelical churches, think that all fundamentalist Christians are bigoted, intolerant, and hate people. I have never seen conservative Christian views properly relayed in any secular media I can recall.

••Well, everyone has their viewpoint on this, but I believe the stereotypes are, at least, largely accurate. The Phelps fruitcake isn't the only "hater" out there. You should have been here in California during the Prop 8 campaign. It was heartbreaking to see the Christians out in force with red, angry faces shouting insults and hate rhetoric at the gay community. Here in our town there is a man that drives his truck around town with HUGE banners showing pictures of the heads of aborted babies, accompanied with very ugly statements. Did you see the 3,000+ people that met Rosie O'Donnell's "gay cruise" and cast out devils and spoke in tongues as they disembarked? The example list is endless and I believe the non-Christian view of fundamental Christianity is fairly accurate most of the time.

I have also friends and relatives who have lived in the Northeast and they relate the same thing. For many Americans their view of Christianity is Roman Catholocism, Epsicopal, or Presbytarian. So they see church as either cold and impersonal or a bunch of bigoted Bible thumping rednecks.

••The Northeast is both fairly liberal in their bent and a lower population so I don't think they really represent the overall political/evangelical demographic of America.

I remember listening to some "expert" on NPR sometime in the last year expressing her dismay that fundamentalist Christians did not believe people of other faiths were going to heaven. She made it seem like this was a terrible and bigoted thing rather than having a context to put those views within. The context of a loving Heavenly Father who wants all reconciled to him and made that possible through his Son Jesus Christ. These lib experts seem to conventiently overlook the scripture where Jesus clearly states that he is the only doorway to heaven.

••It seems to me the "expert" was complaining about Jesus' statement rather than ignoring it. But whichever, granted, the NPR-type folks do ignore that many other religions teach the same thing, that their religion is the only way to heaven. There are exceptions, of course, and there are exceptions within Christianity, one of them being none other than Billy Graham who includes Muslims in the Body of Christ because they're "following the light they see." And I'm willing to consider the possibility.

But back to the original point...I believe there's wisdom in what Kid Rock said. President Obama made a VERY good point during his campaign when he said America should not be ruled by the bible, because if it were, who's interpretation of the bible would we follow? That could get REALLY dangerous and I think Kid Rock showed a moment of wisdom when he said what he said. And for the record, I have NEVER been a fan of Kid Rock.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by CC1

Unlike Christianity the Muslim faith has as a key component the compulsion to conquer other people and convert them to Islam and if they don't do that enslave or kill them. For that reason and more I would not vote for a conservative Muslim.

Unlike you I am sure I beleive America was founded as a Christian nation.

Correct, I do not believe that America was founded as a "Christian nation" and I believe there's plenty of evidence to support that. I DO believe it was founded as a nation that follows God, but with the overwhelming influence of Deists, not Christians, forming America, the identity of God was left to personal interpretation.

There are many in the Muslim faith, sure, maybe even the majority, who believe in conquering and converting. But there are also many who do not believe or support that. Earlier, you decried the fact that non-Christians have an inaccurate stereotype of Christianity. But it seems Christians also have the same inaccurate view of Islam...there are LARGE portions of Muslims who do NOT believe in violence.

So what if the candidate were a peaceful Muslim who held strongly to conservative political values? You still wouldn't support him?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I would vote for a Hindu, practicing Jew, or Seventh day before ever voting for a Muslim. In fact the last guy I voted for (in the primaries) was a Mormon.

Are you aware of the history of violence and conquering that Mormons have? They've done things in their history every bit as murderous as Muslims.