legal question

[DAII]

The other issue here is how tithes are still viewed and administered by many OPs.

They view them as "theirs". Often with little accountability. Especially when dealing with cash.

The old school way leads to serious liabilities and questions about transparency.

(And that's not to say that many are not compelled to put a bulk back into the church out of necessity)

OT Levitical rules are preached and taught in collection but not followed as to how it was administered.

Pastors today should be on a set salary. And funds handled by an expert third party ( ideally, not the pastor's wife).

Ultimately, it leads to less headache.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by DAII

The other issue here is how tithes are still viewed and administered by many OPs.

They view them as "theirs". Often with little accountability. Especially when dealing with cash.

The old school way leads to serious liabilities and questions about transparency.

(And that's not to say that many are compelled to put a bulk back into the church out of necessity)

OT Levitical ules are preached and taught in collection but not followed as to how it was administered.
Pastors today should be on a set salary. And funds handled by an expert third party ( ideally, not the pastor's wife).

Ultimately, it leads to less headache.

I agree. If cash is being pocketed (ever) the pastor should also be prepared for severe penalties or be prepared to lie at an audit or review. These are becoming more common as tax exemption issues come under greater scrutiny.

[*AQuietPlace*]

If one of the parties is the pastor, then it makes perfect sense.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Melody

Additional Orders by Court - YES; Terms of additional orders - PETITIONER TO PROVIDE RESPONDENT COPIES OF: 1) CHURCH BY LAWS, 2) TITHE OFFERING RECORDS, AND 3) CHURCH ANNUAL FINANCIALS

not me,

WHY are there so many "surprise" divorces in the church community, well actually in leadership?
is it because we can't be transparent in a safe environment without being pushed out of the ranks?

If this is a pastor and wife or anyone in leadership who received a salary then I can see it being necessary.

Anytime you have a couple who keep their private lives private, a divorce is going to come as a surprise.

Care to elaborate on your last comment?

[DAII]

Saw this in another thread ... gotta think they might be related.

Originally Posted by The Kid

Have you guys ever heard of a marriage being broken up because of standards and a death grip allegience to the church? Trust me it is happening to my very best friend...he loves God with all his heart and was torn to shreads by the UPC among discovering the true effect of grace and extrabiblical cultural beliefs. His wife has this cultish attachment to the church and would allow her marriage to be blown up as long as her relationship with the church remains intact. I am astounded just sitting listening to the poor fella. ...bless God

[Hoovie]

the kid's friend... i am confused about the marriage being torn apart. Is the pastor having an affair with his wife?

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by DAII

Saw this in another thread ... gotta think they might be related.

Sounds like a different situation to me.

He gave me this quote the other day from the pastor over the pulpit, "If that old grizzly at home decides he doesn't want to line up and be part of the body of Christ, this church will be your husband." I almost fell out of my chair.

Originally Posted by Hoovie

the kid's friend... i am confused about the marriage being torn apart. Is the pastor having an affair with his wife?

Sounds from the second response as though possibly the man started questioning some of what was preached, went to another church or hasn't been going as often, and the preacher got mad. Sad, but not uncommon in some areas.

[Walks_in_islam]

Nice to know that after breaking the marriage apart the "church husband" will pony up, support the kids, and pay the bills.

Originally Posted by missourimary

Sounds like a different situation to me.




Sounds from the second response as though possibly the man started questioning some of what was preached, went to another church or hasn't been going as often, and the preacher got mad. Sad, but not uncommon in some areas.

[aegsm76]

Doesn't the Bible address what the husband's response should be in this situation?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

I assume one of the parties was pastor?

That's what I was assuming.

Probably needs some understanding of the income agreement with the church.