Very Interesting From The Apostolic News

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

sure would like to met him...maybe it can be traced let´s wait and see...I read the article.

If his recent interview is any indication of how he montages his information ... then don't stay up too late waiting for it ...

It would NOT surprise me, if Boora's scholarship in his new baptism book, promoted by the Enseyites, is wrought with cropped misquotations and faulty conclusions ... if this recent interview is any indication of the patchwork scholarship that besets Apostolica :

Boora in his August 2010 interview with Paul Baumeister, a leading editor of the Apostolic News -
Quote:

Q: Can you give an example of your research and scholarship?

A: Yes, for example, The New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in The Original Greek[1] 1860 A.D., notes the following:
“He that is baptized in the Name of Christ, is baptized in the Name of the Holy Trinity: for the Father and the Holy Spirit are inseparable from the Son. One person of the Holy Trinity does not exclude another but includes it…To be baptized in the Name of Jesus, is to be baptized in the Name of the Triune God, which could not be, unless Jesus Christ were God.”[2]

This foregoing quote recognizes the validity of baptism in the name of Jesus, since the author notes that Jesus is God and in His name is baptism invoked and performed, since in His name (Jesus) includes Father and Holy Ghost, therefore the validity of baptism in the name of Jesus is evident from the above quote. The quote also notes that during that period of time baptism in the name of Jesus flourished, hence the reference to it.

Well let's look at the entire quote by Christopher Wadsworth ... mis-attributed to a Charles Wodsworth by the author ... and perhaps Boora himself:



Notice parts conspicuously missing or cropped in quote 1 by Boora in comparison .... to the actual Wodsworth quote ... while omitting unfavorable language and context?

This Augustine sourced quote in its totality no doubt affirms Wodsworth belief in three persons in the Godhead and that being in baptized in the name of Christ is in effect being baptized in the Trinity but in no way is supporting a historical view affirming the validity of Jesus name baptism.

Nor does it express necessary invocation .... nor does it show that Jesus name baptism flourished during that time or any time?

Notice Wodsworth, a paedobaptist not supporting immersion ... later in his commentary???


Here Wodsworth sources another piece authored by Augustine where he affirms baptism in the Trinity used by the 12 Apostles and their successors ... and a reference to the belief that they would be baptized or let down three times (page 52)




Here Wodsworth affirms the belief of a Triune baptism conferring grace (page 92):



I am tempted to buy this Ensey-sponsored book ... just to see what other adulterations are present. I know Pelathais has read some of his work already.

If Boora can use Wodsworth as part of a montage of quotes to conclude:

"Therefore, the United Kingdom was home to baptism in the name of Jesus for centuries."

....

Then color me an atheist and a theological doctor myself.

Source: The New Testament of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ: in the ..., Volume 2 By Christopher Wordsworth

http://books.google.com/books?id=RuI...rinity&f=false
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[DAII]

Pelathais on the matter:

Originally Posted by pelathais

I've read Boora's books and his "research" is a laugh. He even utilizes the old canard about the settler's on Billy's Island in the Okefenokee Swamp being "persecuted Oneness Apostolics."

They were not "persecuted" in any way. They just liked to live in out and away from a lot of people and development. Also, they would be more accurately compared to "Baptist" in their beliefs and practice.

Quote:
"The church at Fort Mudge is called the "Pilgrim's Hope," possibly because the pilgrims who worship at this shrine are always hoping for many things which they never get. As a specimen of modern architecture it can scarcely be called imposing. Its ventilation is perfect, and is attained by the means of large cracks through the log walls. Indeed, the entire house is constructed of logs, with abundance of space between them for fresh air and for viewing the surrounding country. We found some fifty or more pilgrims assembled, and two preachers favored us with discourses - the Rev. Richard Lee and Rev. Moses Thrift. If the faith of these pilgrims be measured by the time they spend at their devotions, they all deserve a high place, for services commenced at a little before twelve and wound up a little after four. Each of the ministers opened by saying he had preached out and had nothing to say; yet each occupied about two hours to get rid of that nothing.

The Rev. Moses Thrift devoted a considerable portion of his time to the matters of "Infant Baptism" and "Sunday schools." These he denounced vigorously and warmly. He had the orthodox Baptist drawl at the end of every two or three words, which was doubtless very pleasant to the brethren, but which made his utterances so indistinct that I could understand but a very small part of what he said.

The men and women were separated during the services, and everything was conducted in a very democratic way. Men, women and children would go out and return as often as they desired, the sleepy slept, and the thirsty made repeated trips to the water bucket. Generally, however, the behavior of the congregation was devout, and there were beyond doubt many good people present. [But] the exercises were entirely too long and wearied out everybody."

Howell Cobb Jackson, Atlanta Journal, 1890

Fort Mudge, Georgia is on the northern shore of the Okefenokee Swamp and Rev. Richard Lee was a relation to Daniel Lee, the noted "squatter" on Billy's Island in the swamp.

You won't find the word's "Jesus name baptism" or "received the Holy Ghost as evidenced by speaking in other tongues" or the term "Oneness" associated with any one in this region except in the writings of Oneness Apostolics. It is a plain invention.

Boora simply parrots this error. The doctoral level training he boasts of appears to have left him unable to perform any original research.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by DAII

As credible as his diploma mill degrees and doctorate.

Or the one's he helped secure for Art Wilson and Lee Stoneking.

The word FRAUD comes to mind.

Sure doesn't take much to have one of your outbursts triggered.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

doctoral impostor ....? is he not a doctor?

No m'am! He appears, by all accounts, to be the man behind securing Stoneking's and Wilson's "doctorates" from SEU ... and was on a gov't leaked database list of people who got degrees from a famous Washington based diploma mill ....

He was also a "professor" at said diploma mill ... this CRIMINAL racket resulted in various federal convictions.
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/data/diploma-mill/

The names of nearly 10,000 people surfaced in a federal investigation of a Spokane diploma mill that was selling phony and counterfeit high school and college degrees. While not everyone on the list prepared by the U.S. Department of Justice purchased a diploma or certificate, the department found information about the people listed below in various records kept by those running the diploma mill.

The list, which the U.S. Department of Justice refused to release to the public but provided to state officials around the country, was obtained by The Spokesman-Review and published July 28, 2008.

You may want to re-visit the main players in the famed SEU thread. Boora is at the center

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=30660

[aegsm76]

DA- you and I may have our differences on some things, but you do a great job on shining the light on these issues!
Thanks!

[DAII]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

DA- you and I may have our differences on some things, but you do a great job on shining the light on these issues!
Thanks!

What I don't get ... is how these religious men would support a LIE to share the WHOLE TRUTH in order to validate their existence by saying the rest of His Body is in ERROR.

They are embodied OXYMORONS.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by coadie

Sure doesn't take much to have one of your outbursts triggered.

In Spanish ... we have an idiom which states:

"El burro, hablando de orejas."

Google it, and go and sin no more, ... you're good at that ....

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

doctoral impostor ....? is he not a doctor?

This is the same man who falsely claimed to be Stoneking's lawyer? .... and who called Baron, one of our AFFer posters ... lying ... pretending to be a person representing the American Bar Association investigating reports about Baron.

This is the same man who used his legal influence to shut down AFF ... according to James Anderson.

Leading authority ... alright ... of the manipulative, deceitful tactics used by some in our circles.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by pelathais

. I say Baron should post the recording that Kalwunt Boora left on his phone.

Having heard the recording .... I think he must .... we've spoken about this very matter.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by DAII

I think he must .... we've spoke about this very matter.

I deleted the post I had just rattled off when I saw that you had quoted an earlier one of mine covering the same material.

Just why does the "Oneness Apostolic" movement find itself constantly plagued by frauds like Kalwant Boora?

You are correct to ask why people like Bro. Ensey will rely on so many inaccuracies and outright fabrications to ostensibly promote "the Truth."