I see men who won't get an education or work so the woman steps in to pick up the slack. She becomes accustomed to filling that role and carries it over into church and everything else. It's a complete breakdown.
On the otherhand, I see men who are hardworking and quite educated who's wives simply have a manipulating and overbearing spirit.
All of this makes delegating leadership roles very hard for a pastor.
I can only imagine.
It is a breakdown and it is sad.
Just a little story that's not completely on topic, but then it is.
I had dinner with a couple last night that I didn't know real well. During the dinner I experienced one of the most uncomfortable moments I have experienced in a long time.
The waiter was taking our order and asked the lady which one she was with and she said "the fat one down there". It wasn't a joke, she wasn't saying it lovingly she was being downright mean. I felt so sorry for him. He just sat there like a whipped puppy. I wanted to smack her - - just couldn't imagine how she could say that outloud in front of people.
I have heard that she makes him tuck his shirt in when he's just around the house and will tell him in front others to go tuck your shirt in.
Needless to say they sleep in separate bedrooms, but how messed up is that?
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Great thread. One I would like to see continue in a somewhat serious vein as it addresses a key concern of the Church today. SOme would call it a Jezebel Spirit. Many similarities but I like the more modern take and application ya'll are presenting here.
Great thread. One I would like to see continue in a somewhat serious vein as it addresses a key concern of the Church today. SOme would call it a Jezebel Spirit. Many similarities but I like the more modern take and application ya'll are presenting here.
I agree with Felicity that just because a woman chooses to work outside the home doesn't mean she takes on a masculine spirit and loses her femininity.
I dare say anyone would say I'm not feminine and I have no desire to "wear the pants" in any relationship!
Would I sit in a meeting..... church, work or school and be afraid to stand up and contribute if I felt I had something worthwhile to say, I sure would, but I think when I sat down no one would mistaken me for a man.
So it can be done.
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Just a little story that's not completely on topic, but then it is.
I had dinner with a couple last night that I didn't know real well. During the dinner I experienced one of the most uncomfortable moments I have experienced in a long time.
The waiter was taking our order and asked the lady which one she was with and she said "the fat one down there". It wasn't a joke, she wasn't saying it lovingly she was being downright mean. I felt so sorry for him. He just sat there like a whipped puppy. I wanted to smack her - - just couldn't imagine how she could say that outloud in front of people.
I have heard that she makes him tuck his shirt in when he's just around the house and will tell him in front others to go tuck your shirt in.
Needless to say they sleep in separate bedrooms, but how messed up is that?
Renda, I see this happen over and over again. If I see or hear a person degrade their spouse in public I confront it immediately. That is the height of hatefulness.
My cousin's husband insults her a lot in public. He won't come to my house anymore because I told him he was a coward and a jerk for it. Even if what he was saying was true, it shouldn't be aired publicly.
I agree with Felicity that just because a woman chooses to work outside the home doesn't mean she takes on a masculine spirit and loses her femininity.
I dare say anyone would say I'm not feminine and I have no desire to "wear the pants" in any relationship!
Would I sit in a meeting..... church, work or school and be afraid to stand up and contribute if I felt I had something worthwhile to say, I sure would, but I think when I sat down no one would mistaken me for a man.
So it can be done.
You are not alone Renda, and I admire your grit.
Being forced into situations is totally different than wanting to steal authority that is not yours.
Renda, I see this happen over and over again. If I see or hear a person degrade their spouse in public I confront it immediately. That is the height of hatefulness.
My cousin's husband insults her a lot in public. He won't come to my house anymore because I told him he was a coward and a jerk for it. Even if what he was saying was true, it shouldn't be aired publicly.
It is amazing how often you hear spouses degrade one another in public. Makes one realize how bad things really m ust be at home. I still am in awe of elderly couples that hold hands and express afeection to one another in public.
I think so. The traditional stances we have held as Pentecostals are biblically based, and founded upon strong principle. There is always a lot of argument here at AFF regarding where lines should be drawn, but do you feel it's important to have SOME sort of line of demarkation between the way that men and women dress, and operate?
The number one issue I have faced in the church I pastor is women who control their husbands and therefore think they can control the pastor and the church. It is not that they demand equality, they want superiority. Complete dominance.
I have a real problem with that, and it ain't gonna fly around here.
I absolutely believe there should be a line of demarkation in the way women and men dress and operate. We have that in our country and I believe all cultures have the same practice. I've never seen a culture where there wasn't.
As for women being controlling, I don't think they should control anything in superiority anymore than a man should. Men shouldn't have complete dominance either, nor should they attempt to control the pastor.
Women who do the above are just as wrong as men who do it.
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I absolutely believe there should be a line of demarkation in the way women and men dress and operate. We have that in our country and I believe all cultures have the same practice. I've never seen a culture where there wasn't.
As for women being controlling, I don't think they should control anything in superiority anymore than a man should. Men shouldn't have complete dominance either, nor should they attempt to control the pastor.
Women who do the above are just as wrong as men who do it.
HO, you and I are pals so don't take this the wrong way - okay?
Men are to govern their home and the church. I don't allow anyone, and I do mean anyone to control the church. Not the organization. Not any man or woman. Not finances. Not the government.
When anyone tries to assert their will I punch that spirit right in the mouth.
It just seems that in my town it is the women who try it more often than men. I am not sexist or an ultracon, I'm just keepin' it real and asking for AFF's opinions on this stuff.
I think so. The traditional stances we have held as Pentecostals are biblically based, and founded upon strong principle. There is always a lot of argument here at AFF regarding where lines should be drawn, but do you feel it's important to have SOME sort of line of demarkation between the way that men and women dress, and operate?
The number one issue I have faced in the church I pastor is women who control their husbands and therefore think they can control the pastor and the church. It is not that they demand equality, they want superiority. Complete dominance.
I have a real problem with that, and it ain't gonna fly around here.
That might not be a problem if those men would stop being wimps.
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