thanks for your all's replies, I know we all go through things and I'm not the only one, but it can be really hurtful when it's in the church. Thanks for taking the time to say encouraging things. It's way in the past, but it still goes on, and I sometimes think it's against basic civil rights. Like there are no protections against such really. I don't want to be a "rebel rouser", it's just there are some things that are right and things that are wrong in this world, and I know in my spirit, and the Bible speaks many many times about gossip, so not sure sometimes why it goes on so freely in some churches, shouldn't be.
He eventually lost that congregation (the people walked out on him) and he was later banished by the remnant from the church that he had founded. I took no pleasure in watching that happen, it was painful. But, what comes around goes around, as they say.
Yep, I believe that. You just can't be unkind to people and do other's wrong and things not come back to you in one way or another.
Unless you're lucky and/or careful. People don't always get caught.
Ever read Crime and Punishment by Dostoevsky?
I can ignore them or pray for them, but I can't change what's been said. I can sue them, but that won't stop the whispers, and could intensify them. But I can walk away from them. I don't have to support them, lend them an ear or give them information to build on.
I think eventually what they've done catches up to them, whether they're caught or not. But in some circles, it's allowed to go on and destroy good people for way too long. I'd hate to be in the shoes of some I've walked away from.
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What we make of the Bible will never be as great a thing as what the Bible will - if we let it - make of us.~Rich Mullins
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.~Galileo Galilei
hmmm, basically I guess I could just ask some to pray for me, lol. The flesh isn't much to fight againt spiritual warfare, and a lot of the stuff that goes on is probably nothing but a spiritual battle that goes on because Satan loves discord. I'm just saying they passed HIPPA laws, you will be fired from a medical facility if you repeat private medical information, there should be laws in place that protect innocent people from having their whole personal lives and a lot of time not even the real truth, told to every Tom, Dick and Harry in church. Church members personal lives are their personal business. I'm not talking about condoning sin or a sinful lifestyle, I'm just saying personal matters whether they be family matters, health matters, or whatever it is that they would prefer the whole world not to know, should be just that. No one has the right to take advantage of the weak or meek in the church.
hmmm, basically I guess I could just ask some to pray for me, lol. The flesh isn't much to fight againt spiritual warfare, and a lot of the stuff that goes on is probably nothing but a spiritual battle that goes on because Satan loves discord. I'm just saying they passed HIPPA laws, you will be fired from a medical facility if you repeat private medical information, there should be laws in place that protect innocent people from having their whole personal lives and a lot of time not even the real truth, told to every Tom, Dick and Harry in church. Church members personal lives are their personal business. I'm not talking about condoning sin or a sinful lifestyle, I'm just saying personal matters whether they be family matters, health matters, or whatever it is that they would prefer the whole world not to know, should be just that. No one has the right to take advantage of the weak or meek in the church.
Licensed social workers follow a code of ethics. If SINNERS are ethical and held to ethical practices, why do so many in churches think they can say anything they want about anyone? Each of these statements below says "should" but they can lose license and/or face fines and penalties if they don't do these things. I believe all professional counselors have similar codes. It's long but if Christians can't live by these principals, and especially if church leadership can't, then they have very serious problems. http://www.naswdc.org/pubs/code/code.asp
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1.07 Privacy and Confidentiality
(a) Social workers should respect clients’ right to privacy... Once private information is shared, standards of confidentiality apply.
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(c) Social workers should protect the confidentiality of all information obtained in the course of professional service, except for compelling professional reasons....
(d) Social workers should inform clients, to the extent possible, about the disclosure of confidential information and the potential consequences, when feasible before the disclosure is made. This applies whether social workers disclose confidential information on the basis of a legal requirement or client consent.
(e) Social workers should discuss with clients and other interested parties the nature of confidentiality and limitations of clients’ right to confidentiality...
(f) When social workers provide counseling services to families, couples, or groups, social workers should seek agreement among the parties involved concerning each individual’s right to confidentiality and obligation to preserve the confidentiality of information shared by others....
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(h) Social workers should not disclose confidential information to third..party payers unless clients have authorized such disclosure.
(i) Social workers should not discuss confidential information in any setting unless privacy can be ensured. Social workers should not discuss confidential information in public or semipublic areas such as hallways, waiting rooms, elevators, and restaurants.
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(q) Social workers should not disclose identifying information when discussing clients with consultants unless the client has consented to disclosure of confidential information or there is a compelling need for such disclosure.
(r) Social workers should protect the confidentiality of deceased clients consistent with the preceding standards.
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What we make of the Bible will never be as great a thing as what the Bible will - if we let it - make of us.~Rich Mullins
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.~Galileo Galilei
I can ignore them or pray for them, but I can't change what's been said. I can sue them, but that won't stop the whispers, and could intensify them. But I can walk away from them. I don't have to support them, lend them an ear or give them information to build on.
I think eventually what they've done catches up to them, whether they're caught or not. But in some circles, it's allowed to go on and destroy good people for way too long. I'd hate to be in the shoes of some I've walked away from.
We had an evangelist that knew Hebrew. He mentioned the Hebrew had many more expressions for the words killing and murder. One of the translations for killing was a murderous tongue.
We had an evangelist that knew Hebrew. He mentioned the Hebrew had many more expressions for the words killing and murder. One of the translations for killing was a murderous tongue.
I was looking for something about that the other day. Never found the link I was looking for. But I've heard the same thing, and fully believe it.
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Mt 5:21Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
[quote]1 Jn 3:14 ...He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. 15Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. 16Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 17But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? 18My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 19And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. [/qutoe]
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Clarke's Commentary of the Bible, Mt 5:
Raca - ריקה from the Hebrew רק rak, to be empty. It signifies a vain, empty, worthless fellow, shallow brains, a term of great contempt. Such expressions were punished among the Gentoos by a heavy fine. See all the cases, Code of Gentoo Laws, chap. 15: sec. 2.
Thou fool - Moreh, probably from מרה marah, to rebel, a rebel against God, apostate from all good. This term implied, among the Jews, the highest enormity, and most aggravated guilt. Among the Gentoos, such an expression was punished by cutting out the tongue, and thrusting a hot iron, of ten fingers breadth, into the mouth of the person who used it. Code of Gentoo Laws, chap. 15: sec. 2. p. 212
So at one time there were punishments for certain kinds of slander...
And Gill's Exposition of the entire Bible says:
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but whosoever shall say thou fool, shall be danger of hell fire. The word "fool" does not signify a man of weak parts, one that is very ignorant in things natural; this the word Raca imports; but a wicked reprobate man; in which sense Solomon often uses the word. The Persic version renders it here "wicked". There is a manifest gradation in the text from causeless anger in the breast, or reproachful words; and from thence to a censorious judging of a man's spiritual and eternal estate, which is what is here condemned. "Thou fool", is, thou wicked man, thou ungodly wretch, thou graceless creature, whose portion will be eternal damnation. Calling a man by such names was not allowed of by the Jews themselves, whose rules are:
"he that calls his neighbour a servant, let him be excommunicated; a bastard, let him be beaten with forty stripes; "a wicked man", let him descend with him into his life or livelihood (z).''
The gloss upon it is,
"as if he should say, to this the sanhedrim is not obliged, but it is lawful to hate him, yea to lessen his sustenance, and exercise his trade,''
which was done to bring him to poverty and distress. So, it seems, the sanhedrim were not obliged to take notice of him. Again, they say,
"it is forbidden a man to call his neighbour by a name of reproach (a) everyone that calls his neighbour "a wicked man", shall be brought down to hell;''
Considering that and the punishment that Clarke's states, I can almost feel sorry for the ones who've said the most hurtful and damaging things to me and about me. God, have mercy on them even when I struggle to. The damage they've done themselves is much greater than the hurt they've caused me.
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What we make of the Bible will never be as great a thing as what the Bible will - if we let it - make of us.~Rich Mullins
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.~Galileo Galilei
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my pastor told me 25 years ago. "Those that know you and love you, will know the Truth. Those who don't know you and don't love, will believe what they want to, but what will it matter. If you deny it, in their minds, you've confirmed it. If you confirm it, they will say it is far worse than anything that may have really happened. Let them be. Silence it the worst things for gossips."
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