Benny Hinn rebukes Joel Osteen??

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Sam

You mean Saint Peter,
first presiding bishop of the Church of Jesus Christ
or
first pope
or
keeper of the keys of the kingdom
or
first General Superintendent of the United Pentecostal Church?
depending on your particular theology

Um... yeah, that guy.

*scratching head*

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I understand BH's point, but I can't respect it coming from him. Sorry. I think Joel Osteen lives in mamby pamby land, but BH isn't the right person to call him out on it.

Some people are scared of public declarations; anyone remember Peter?

I agree with BH that the right answer is: "Jesus is the way, the truth and the life; no man comes to the Father, but by Him." There's power in the Word of God; when you're faced with a difficult question, IMO, it's usually the best way to answer.

The rest of the ranting, I just can't tolerate.

Two completely different circumstances. First, Peter completely denied knowing Jesus. Joel didn't do that. Second, Peter likely feared great harm or death at that moment. Joel wasn't in a seat of potential persecution or death and I have no doubt that if faced with that choice, he would not deny Christ.

Joel gave an answer that didn't drive away his audience, in other words......GASP....he used wisdom. Too many Christians have more fun wiping the dust off their shoes than they do actually investing in the hard work of creating a bridge of dialogue between the believer and the outsider.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I understand BH's point, but I can't respect it coming from him. Sorry. I think Joel Osteen lives in mamby pamby land, but BH isn't the right person to call him out on it.

Some people are scared of public declarations; anyone remember Peter?

I agree with BH that the right answer is: "Jesus is the way, the truth and the life; no man comes to the Father, but by Him." There's power in the Word of God; when you're faced with a difficult question, IMO, it's usually the best way to answer.

The rest of the ranting, I just can't tolerate.

Yeah, a man that heads a gathering of believers of tens of thousands lives in mamby pamby land??? Leadership is incredible hard, he stepped in when his father, John O, died, a great man of God, and has led the church to even greater growth. Your assessment is sophomoric to say the least.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Yeah, a man that heads a gathering of believers of tens of thousands lives in mamby pamby land??? Leadership is incredible hard, he stepped in when his father, John O, died, a great man of God, and has led the church to even greater growth. Your assessment is sophomoric to say the least.

Totally agree!! Man, it's easy to take over a church pastored by a legend that died unexpectedly and hadn't prepared to be succeeded....even though he had never preached a sermon or worked in the ministry in any way and multiplied the church by many times. Sure is easy here on my couch doing nothing.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I understand BH's point, but I can't respect it coming from him. Sorry. I think Joel Osteen lives in mamby pamby land, but BH isn't the right person to call him out on it.

Some people are scared of public declarations; anyone remember Peter?

I agree with BH that the right answer is: "Jesus is the way, the truth and the life; no man comes to the Father, but by Him." There's power in the Word of God; when you're faced with a difficult question, IMO, it's usually the best way to answer.

The rest of the ranting, I just can't tolerate.

I vote we change MissBrattified's nick to SgtBratt!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Yeah, a man that heads a gathering of believers of tens of thousands lives in mamby pamby land??? Leadership is incredible hard, he stepped in when his father, John O, died, a great man of God, and has led the church to even greater growth. Your assessment is sophomoric to say the least.

"leadership" isn't the issue. Obama knows leadership, but he isn't leading a church.

Saddam did leadership pretty well, neither was he christian nor is leadership well loved.

I just find it ironic that BH laments seeking numbers for their churches and not for heaven, when they are seeking numbers for the money.

Success, American style, is based on numbers. So any church, no matter how messed up they are doctrinally or otherwise, that has the numbers is seen as successful.

But a lot of those numbers are people from other churches, not new converts to Christianity. I don't see that as success Christianity style.

[Praxeas]

Oh and I don't need a BH anymore than I need a Coadie to have an opinion. As far as Im concerned BH is just jumping on someone elses bandwagon. Before I saw this thread I already had my opinions on this interview and the wishy washy answer.

His answer implies that Jesus is not the only way, that if God so decides someone that was following Muhammad or Buddha, can make it too based on their faith in that religion.

that has nothing to do with someones leadership skills or whatever. Joel Osteen is a weekly feel good motivational speaker that uses Christ as his backdrop. That's an American thing, not necessarily a Christian thing. And I don't think there is anything wrong with having a message here and there like that but when it dominates the theme of that church and every service I believe there is a lack of spiritual balance.

On the other hand one thing I really admired JO on was his willingness to refuse church money so it can all go into retrofitting that arena for service. He was already getting plenty of money from his books. That is admirable. Benny Hinn on the other hand would have taken that money

[Sam]

Originally Posted by notofworks

...
Joel gave an answer that didn't drive away his audience, in other words......GASP....he used wisdom. Too many Christians have more fun wiping the dust off their shoes than they do actually investing in the hard work of creating a bridge of dialogue between the believer and the outsider.

The Bible tells us to be as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves.
It also talks about speaking the truth in love.
If this is the Larry King interview from a while back I saw it and thought Joel could have handle it better, but that's easy for me to say from my couch and not on the spot before tv cameras and many tv watchers.

[Sam]

I'm not a Joel Osteen fan.
I've only read one of his books --his first one.
I liked his Dad and his Dad's style of preaching much better but that's probably an age thing.
I know Christians who love Joel Osteen, his preachng, and writing.
I personally believe Joel Osteen is a man of God.

As far as Benny Hinn,
Well he's kind of a kooky little guy
and I can't watch him,
but I believe he is a man of God.

[Dedicated Mind]

if benny hinn isn't a man of God, why do people fall out when he prays for them?