Are You really a Christian? - Page 2

Adam · #11 10-31-2010, 02:07 PM

If one has to ask that question of themselves, then the answer is obvious.

Godsdrummer · #12 10-31-2010, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG

Well I don't try to impose my moral standards on anyone else. I hope people can see God in me. Could you come to me as a homosexual? I suppose so. I will admit that I would struggle with my own self as I have not been very exposed to anyone who is homosexual. I think it would be more a fear of the unknown than any real prejudice on my part though.

ILG

The reason I ask that question was the subject came up on another thread recently, I could not believe the responses from those that were supposed to be Christian.

I found myself in a simular situation years ago before my wife and I had children. I told someone that my children would not marry outside of our race, I was told I was predjedice. (I was, I did not think so but I was) Needles to say we went round and round over the subject. A few years later God spoke to me and said one of my daughters would marry a black man. So by the time it came pass I had changed my opinion, Thank God. He is the best son in law a father could wish for. They have given my wife and I two wonderful grandsons that love God.

The point I am trying to bring out is we were sent to the ministry of reconciliation, but we seem more inclined to alianate the world from God because we seem to want to pick and choose who we want to come to God.

At least that is one point.

Godsdrummer · #13 10-31-2010, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam

If one has to ask that question of themselves, then the answer is obvious.

Acctualy one needs to ask themself that question every day. We are to judge ourselves not everyone else. "judgment starts at the house of God" does not mean when we get saved then we can start judging every one else it means it starts with us and continues within our own self.

ILG · #14 10-31-2010, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

ILG

The reason I ask that question was the subject came up on another thread recently, I could not believe the responses from those that were supposed to be Christian.

I found myself in a simular situation years ago before my wife and I had children. I told someone that my children would not marry outside of our race, I was told I was predjedice. (I was, I did not think so but I was) Needles to say we went round and round over the subject. A few years later God spoke to me and said one of my daughters would marry a black man. So by the time it came pass I had changed my opinion, Thank God. He is the best son in law a father could wish for. They have given my wife and I two wonderful grandsons that love God.

The point I am trying to bring out is we were sent to the ministry of reconciliation, but we seem more inclined to alianate the world from God because we seem to want to pick and choose who we want to come to God.

At least that is one point.

Sometimes, that is true. We do alienate more than reconcile. No arguments from me on that one.

khristina · #15 11-04-2010, 07:29 AM

i am not the christian i am another religion but i like christian too
but when christian pray they end by 'Amen" but when i pray i ended by "Armin"

Godsdrummer · #16 11-04-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by khristina

i am not the christian i am another religion but i like christian too
but when christian pray they end by 'Amen" but when i pray i ended by "Armin"

Khristina

God is God what ever name you call him by, but there is a name of God that is greater than any other that is the name of Jesus. The ending of a prayer does not have to end with anything. Although Jesus end his instruction to us with the word Amen which simply means "so be it"

I chalenge you to check out the names of God, Jesus simply means "God saves" if there is any name of God I would want to use over any other it would be the one that was going to bring me the most blessings. This is not just a Christian principle.

Michael The Disciple · #17 11-05-2010, 09:08 PM

Are we Christians? If we are DISCIPLES then we are Christians. They are one and the same thing.

Act 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Ok what then is required BY JESUS to be HIS disciple?

14:25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,
14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Does this surprise you? Perhaps you have been told all that required to be a disciple is that you accept his finished work on the cross. NOT SO FAST!
Isnt Jesus the one who decides who his disciples are?

Does he not say that ABSOLUTE ABANDONMENT to himself is essential to be a Christian? Most have never heard this taught either before or after their conversion.

Now if your understanding of accepting the "finished work of Christ" INCLUDES the absolute acceptance of his Lordship in your life even to the exclusion of all and anything else then yes you may well be a Christian.

Anyone who has not made such a committment to Jesus is not yet his disciple ie.....a Christian.

acerrak · #18 11-05-2010, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I really want to be a Christian....

i dont know the word has become so watered down over the years, much of christianity has become babel or confusion.

back then it was a label, as they was also called the sect of the nazerene, or followers of the way.

I really dont want to take away from its meaning, but you have to admit that term gets thrown around like a ball. even sinners who think they know Jesus will use that term.

I might rather be labeled a man of God or something, just my 2 cents

and sorry for the negativity

Godsdrummer · #19 11-06-2010, 11:03 AM

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Michael The Disciple;984140]Are we Christians? If we are DISCIPLES then we are Christians. They are one and the same thing.

Act 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

You miss the point in these thoughts, first they did not call themselves Christians. Others did because of the life and actions that (conversation) was like Christ. They there for recongnized they were followers of the teachings of Christ.

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Ok what then is required BY JESUS to be HIS disciple?

14:25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,
14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Does this surprise you? Perhaps you have been told all that required to be a disciple is that you accept his finished work on the cross. NOT SO FAST!
Isnt Jesus the one who decides who his disciples are?

Does he not say that ABSOLUTE ABANDONMENT to himself is essential to be a Christian? Most have never heard this taught either before or after their conversion.

Again you miss the meaning of Christ, Absolute abandonment? The word says if one does not provide for his family they are worse than an infadel, does this sound like we are to abandon our family? Jesus meaning is that we are to put him first in our life to the point that we will leave family and friends should they come between our relationship to God. Big difference in my eyes.

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Now if your understanding of accepting the "finished work of Christ" INCLUDES the absolute acceptance of his Lordship in your life even to the exclusion of all and anything else then yes you may well be a Christian.

Anyone who has not made such a committment to Jesus is not yet his disciple ie.....a Christian.

But yes we must accept the absolute Lordship of Christ in our life to follow him, else we are not following him. But to follow the traditions of men and or pastors, does not mean we are following Christ.

Godsdrummer · #20 11-06-2010, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by acerrak

i dont know the word has become so watered down over the years, much of christianity has become babel or confusion.

back then it was a label, as they was also called the sect of the nazerene, or followers of the way.

I really dont want to take away from its meaning, but you have to admit that term gets thrown around like a ball. even sinners who think they know Jesus will use that term.

I might rather be labeled a man of God or something, just my 2 cents

and sorry for the negativity

Negativity accepted, but to say the word has been watered down is not true the word cannot be watered down, what has been done is that teachings and traditions not based on sound understanding of the word have been added to the word. Like it or not we have done just what the pharise had done in Christ day. We try to live by the letter of the law and in doing so have made the meaning of the word of none affect. Missing the true message of Gods word over mans traditions. And I am not just talking about "standards".

The statement the word has been watered down, lets me know someone views and compares others walk with thier own and we are instructed over and over again that we are not to judge one another.