st.john 5;19 - Page 2

Praxeas · #11 10-01-2010, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by pastorrick1959

so nice to find other who can understand what they read,,,dont have to twist and sqirm scriptures around to make something, something, that isnt something lol. that dual nature thing is a jeckle and hyde god stuff ,, very ignorant!

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Yes you are...forgot to read the rest of the verse did ya? Oh BTW, while you mentioned the word ignorant and twisting and squirming you failed to realize that 1 Tim 3:16 says "manifest in flesh" not "gave his power to someone else"

That's what it says, why do you have to twist it? Because it disagrees with your rejection of the Deity of Christ

Aquila · #12 10-01-2010, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by pastorrick1959

Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

what say ye to this?

The man Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was human. He was entirely submitted to his Father, God Almighty.

pastorrick1959 · #13 10-01-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

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Yes you are...forgot to read the rest of the verse did ya? Oh BTW, while you mentioned the word ignorant and twisting and squirming you failed to realize that 1 Tim 3:16 says "manifest in flesh" not "gave his power to someone else"

That's what it says, why do you have to twist it? Because it disagrees with your rejection of the Deity of Christ

dearest prax.. i didnt call anyone ignorant ,but you did .. if u wish to name call ,please look me in the eye, please....

you fail to see the word IN prax. not manifested flesh ,, manifested in flesh!big difference!now thats what it exactly says you are the twister big boy!

i just say it like it is and you get all mad .. i didnt twist it or misinterpret it . but you did!

pastorrick1959 · #14 10-01-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

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Yes you are...forgot to read the rest of the verse did ya? Oh BTW, while you mentioned the word ignorant and twisting and squirming you failed to realize that 1 Tim 3:16 says "manifest in flesh" not "gave his power to someone else"

That's what it says, why do you have to twist it? Because it disagrees with your rejection of the Deity of Christ

dearest prax.. i didnt call anyone ignorant ,but you did .. if u wish to name call ,please look me in the eye, please....

you fail to see the word IN prax. not manifested flesh ,, manifested in flesh!big difference!now thats what it exactly says you are the twister big boy!

i just say it like it is and you get all mad .. i didnt twist it or misinterpret it . but you did!

Jason B · #15 10-01-2010, 07:49 PM

sorry "pastor" rick, I simply don't take you serious enough to bother answering your nonsense. On most threads here on AFF you pot shot an out of context scripture and never answer a rebuattal. Now your calling people ignorant, despite the fact that your essentially promoting "apostolic gnosticism". Reminds me of someone else who "loved to have the preeminence"

Praxeas · #16 10-01-2010, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pastorrick1959

so nice to find other who can understand what they read,,,dont have to twist and sqirm scriptures around to make something, something, that isnt something lol. that dual nature thing is a jeckle and hyde god stuff ,, very ignorant!

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Originally Posted by pastorrick1959

dearest prax.. i didnt call anyone ignorant ,but you did .. if u wish to name call ,please look me in the eye, please....

you fail to see the word IN prax. not manifested flesh ,, manifested in flesh!big difference!now thats what it exactly says you are the twister big boy!

i just say it like it is and you get all mad .. i didnt twist it or misinterpret it . but you did!

I love the way you start stuff then get all mad when someone responds

BTW "IN" does not necessarily mean "inside of", as I said before like "in God we trust" means we trust in his person. It does not mean we are inside of Him like he is a box.

Second you totally ignored what I said which is typical.

God was seen of angels, God was received up into glory....now how was that? Please explain that

Praxeas · #17 10-01-2010, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

sorry "pastor" rick, I simply don't take you serious enough to bother answering your nonsense. On most threads here on AFF you pot shot an out of context scripture and never answer a rebuattal. Now your calling people ignorant, despite the fact that your essentially promoting "apostolic gnosticism". Reminds me of someone else who "loved to have the preeminence"

Exactly. He can say we are ignorant or we twist and squirm but don't you dare say that to him. Oh then I love how he threatens me...ie "come say that to my face" like he's gonna kick my butt...and he says he is a pastor???

SRM · #18 10-01-2010, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by pastorrick1959

so nice to find other who can understand what they read,,,dont have to twist and sqirm scriptures around to make something, something, that isnt something lol. that dual nature thing is a jeckle and hyde god stuff ,, very ignorant!

Oneness and Trinitarian are so similar in a lot of ways that they are practically running each other over and both stumbling over verses that are simple to accept.I once heard a great Apostolic preacher named Gregg Rigden say "Every New Testament doctrine should have a Old Testament background,other words,you should be able to trace your doctrine BACK to the Old Testament and find out exactly where it had a beginining.What neither of those camps can prove is where God said He would become a man and become his own Messiah,it is not there,yet they want to both claim Jesus was God in a human body.Jesus never thought He was God,the Apostles never thought He was God and neither did the common folk or even the Pharisees believe He was.Groups today make a claim that surpasses all those mentioned in the Bible and give Jesus a tittle He was never called.. Jesus did not even want his Apostles to even mention He the Messiah yet alone say He was God..

Were not the Apostles there when Jesus prayed in JOhn 17? Did they think and understand He was praying to himself or using his dual nature?
Did they not understand the words of Mary when Jesus specifically told her to go and tell his "brethren"

Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Did they understand Jesus had a God? Were the Apostles not monotheist in understanding of the Shema?. Deut 6:4?

We have recorded evidence of a scribe AGREEing with Jesus

Mar 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Mar 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

The scribe did not say there is none other but you Jesus..He agreed with the answer Jesus gave..there is only one Lord who is God..

Can we not let Jesus be who He claimed to be?

Praxeas · #19 10-01-2010, 08:43 PM

Where is baptism in Jesus name in the OT?

It's a rather convenient excuse for not accepting what the NT says about Jesus

TGBTG · #20 10-01-2010, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AJS

"the deity of Jesus" are you saying that there is such a thing?

Hummm, I never once read of that in the Scriptures.

Could you please site even one verse that clearly declares the 'deity of Jesus'.

Rev 1

17And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Jesus Himself said He is the First and Last. That means He is Deity. How do you understand this scripture?