Testing 9/11 Conspiracies

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Are you saying the government could have prevented them and didn't?

Not necessarily. I think they knew something was coming. I'm not sure if they knew what flights, who, exactly what time, etc. At the time, putting the entire nation on alert over "chatter" would have seemed foolish. I think the Administration knew something was coming, but lacking enough details to take definitive action... they stood down to take the hit. Of course... prepared for retaliation and a few agenda bonuses they could slide into the deal before the American people.

I don't think they were prepared for an attack of the magnitude that we received. I think that caught them entirely off guard. Probably expected a bombing on a plane or in an office. I don't think they knew the WTC would be destroyed resulting in over 3,000 deaths.

[Aquila]

After the fact... if information was shared between agencies more readily... the attacks may have been prevented.

Interesting video and information at this link...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl.../synopsis.html

[ILG]

People who don't believe the official story go all the way from believing the government may or may not have had foreknowledge of the attacks and then used 911 as an opportunity to implement all kinds of things (war, the patriot act, etc.) all the way to believing that 911 was an inside job so they could implement these things.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

As I said in the other thread, I already did look them up. That's why I don't believe they hold water plus most of them have been debunked by experts in several fiends

I agree with Prax here...

All of the facts that are ever likely to be uncovered about the 9/11 attacks have been "on the table" and reviewed endlessly. We even know what Mohammed Atta likely had for breakfast the morning of the attacks; though whether or not he "Supersized" his meal is left up to speculation.

Refusing to engage the facts and details is not the same as having "The Facts" unavailable.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by ILG

Okay well, I'm not going to spend the time researching the issue for others, posting websites, names, organizations etc. I know how fast these things can polarize too, going from me simply keeping an open mind to accusations of me pushing conspiracy theories and wearing of tin foil hats. So, that is why I am not willing to invest the time. I would like to see you do it though, since you seem interested. I have spent my own personal time long enough to keep an open mind about the issue.

With respect, failure to place the blame for the murder of almost 3,000 people squarely upon the shoulders of those who committed the murder is tantamount to squeezing the largest possible "tin foil hat" over one's head.

Please consider an analogy: Did O.J. Simpson murder Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson? For political and racist reasons a jury found O.J. "Not Guilty." That was an terrible injustice and a dark blemish on American jurisprudence.

OJ is in prison today, not because justice was achieved at his trial, but because there were those (like Goldman's father) who persisted until justice was done. The Alex Jones/"Conspiracy Nuts" think that they represent the "Fred Goldmans" of the world in their "pursuit of justice."

The facts say otherwise. Al Qaeda did it.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Aquila

After the fact... if information was shared between agencies more readily... the attacks may have been prevented.

Interesting video and information at this link...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl.../synopsis.html

I believe this was the only fault to be placed on our government. Our own security agencies "competing" with one another and not sharing information. Did the government know the attacks were coming, I believe so. But I believe different pieces of the puzzle were in different departments. They knew, they just didnt know they knew.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The facts say otherwise. Al Qaeda did it.

As I said before, I am keeping an open mind. I think there are too many questions.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Personally, I think something is "wrong" with what happened on 9/11. I believe there are elements to this that we don't know. As for a "conspiracy"... I'd not call it a conspiracy. But I do think the government knew more prior to the attacks than they are telling us.

It's sort of like Pearl Harbor or any other attack that got through. "We" knew something was coming, but we didn't know what or where. Osama bin Laden was hardly silent about his schemes to attack America.

One man, John O'Neill, took the job as Security Chief at the WTC specifically because he thought he "knew" it was going to be a target. Al Qaeda had already attempted to "knock down" the towers in 1993 with a rather ill conceived plan. O'Neill's suspicions proved to be eerily accurate - but to be fair, there were literally a hundred other guys with the same sorts of "hunches." O'Neill appears to have been the one who "connected the dots" better than anyone else. He ultimately paid for being so correct by sacrificing his life trying to rescue people from the WTC on 9/11.

Ironically, the "Conspiracy Nuts" will actually use O'Neill's story by weaving a web of deceit around the events and try to say that "O'Neill knew too much and was killed by the gov't!" Bogus. Even as he was scrambling around the burning Towers, O'Neill knew who was responsible. Al Qaeda did it.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by ILG

As I said before, I am keeping an open mind. I think there are too many questions.

Like... ???

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by scotty

I believe this was the only fault to be placed on our government. Our own security agencies "competing" with one another and not sharing information. Did the government know the attacks were coming, I believe so. But I believe different pieces of the puzzle were in different departments. They knew, they just didnt know they knew.

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence."

Napoleon Bonaparte