Has Hell Disappeared?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by coadie

We are already dealing with the fact that they don't believe Genesis about Creation and the flood.

So Jesus speaks of punishment and hell. He also speaks of heaven. He goes to prepare a place for those that are redeemed.


37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Looks like the seeker sensitive churches can't touch this./

Book and chapter please?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Weeping and gnashing of teeth just means judgement not literally gnashing of teeth.

I had written this.
So Jesus speaks of punishment and hell. He also speaks of heaven. He goes to prepare a place for those that are redeemed.

In todays language, judgement means rendering a verdict. In the bible it is render a verdict and punishment.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by DAII

There seems to be a battle raging on FB and elsewhere ... at least in my own circle of friends on whether fear of hell should be a driving force behind The Message.

Phil Harrelson, noted con, wrote a blog entitled "Hell's Disappearing Act" on the matter just this month, writing:



More here .... http://barnabas14blog.blogspot.com/2...aring-act.html

I have my definite views on hell and believe that our message needs to lean heavenly on our hope and salvation without disregarding the various things God says in his Word regarding hell ... I do think we need to make the same distinctions the writers made between death/Hades/Gehenna/ Sheol/ etc.

And tartaroō as well. I wonder sometimes if the hell we have created is even in Scripture. Have we hobbled together several different ideas to create hell and maybe some of those descriptions were only intended to make a point and not describe an actual place?

Why would the same writer use Hades in one place and Gehenna in another if he was referring to the same thing? especially considering the world they were writing to already had a very clear definition of Hades.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

And tartaroō as well. I wonder sometimes if the hell we have created is even in Scripture. Have we hobbled together several different ideas to create hell and maybe some of those descriptions were only intended to make a point and not describe an actual place?

Why would the same writer use Hades in one place and Gehenna in another if he was referring to the same thing? especially considering the world they were writing to already had a very clear definition of Hades.

great point.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Book and chapter please?

Matthew 18:

...And yet it isn't even called hell...by any of the names the NT uses.

[Cindy]

Luke 16:23-24

23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'

Is this the common perception of hell?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Cindy

Luke 16:23-24

23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'

Is this the common perception of hell?

It's the hell I was always taught.

[DAII]

Here's what I can't square away ... if we take the KJV which translates Hades as hell ... and we take the eschatological view of most ...

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:14

It would appear that hell will (or has ) DISAPPEAR(ED).

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Cindy

Luke 16:23-24

23 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'

Is this the common perception of hell?

And yet Jesus may not have actually been talking about an actual place or event. He very well may have been playing on the common view of Hades that the hellenic culture was sure to know.

[Michael The Disciple]

Yes Hell has vanished away in the minds of those who think YHWH need not be feared. Yet his word stands strong and true as always.

Mark 9:42-48

42] And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
[43] And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[44] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[45] And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
[46] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
[47] And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
[48] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Yeshua was not to timid to preach about the wrath of God. No wonder Churches spend so much time playing "nice" with the world. They are immune to the preaching of eternal punishment. They are out of tune with such a message and despise hearing about it.

When the final move of God comes we will be hearing much more judgment preaching.

[6] And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
[7] Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Rev. 14:6-7

Until then the "You Cant Be Perfect" cults will continue to preach the things their members want them to.

Hell has a big place in the preaching of the true gospel. No one will be saved until they realize they are being saved from something.