Trinity and Oneness in The Church?

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Sam

Anyone here believe that The Church, The Body of Christ, is made up of both trinity and oneness believers?

AND those in between... count me in that affirmative vote

[CC1]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Yes, I believe that the church, The Body of Christ, is made up of both trinity and oneness believers but isn't limited to only those folks. The body of Christ is also made up of folks who didn't even know there was a Christ.

Unless People accept Christ as their saviour they are not part of the body of Christ. I would challenge you to provide a biblical basis for your statement I have bolded. I can provide you with plenty supporting my view.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by CC1

Unless People accept Christ as their saviour they are not part of the body of Christ. I would challenge you to provide a biblical basis for your statement I have bolded. I can provide you with plenty supporting my view.

You know CC1, you always have those trying to add to the Bible on both sides of a discussion-- lib and con.

Seekerman's statement makes me wonder how does he interpret the words of Jesus when He said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the ....."

It's not even important that I finish the quote-- I don't think the Bible is important to Seekerman.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Yes, I believe that the church, The Body of Christ, is made up of both trinity and oneness believers but isn't limited to only those folks. The body of Christ is also made up of folks who didn't even know there was a Christ.

Originally Posted by CC1

Unless People accept Christ as their saviour they are not part of the body of Christ. I would challenge you to provide a biblical basis for your statement I have bolded. I can provide you with plenty supporting my view.

The Christ was only revealed 2000 years ago and then to only a very very small population of the earth. Prior to that there is no mention of the Christ to the billions who lived during those pre-Christ Old Testament epochs nor a single verse of scripture of anyone calling upon the Christ as savior during those epochs.

While most Christians are Israel-centric, one should realize the population of the world was much larger than the relatively small portion of the middle east. There were billions of individuals prior to, and subsequent to, the introduction of the Christ 2000 years ago who lived and died never hearing anything of the theology of the Old and New Testaments which included those who did not live in the geographical area of the bible.

Those billions of individuals who lived never hearing of the Christ aren't just cast away to God's torture chamber. The redemption provided by the Christ is much more than redeeming a relatively few people who have the advantage of being born into some semblance of Christianity.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by seekerman

The Christ was only revealed 2000 years ago and then to only a very very small population of the earth. Prior to that there is no mention of the Christ to the billions who lived during those pre-Christ Old Testament epochs nor a single verse of scripture of anyone calling upon the Christ as savior during those epochs.

While most Christians are Israel-centric, one should realize the population of the world was much larger than the relatively small portion of the middle east. There were billions of individuals prior to, and subsequent to, the introduction of the Christ 2000 years ago who lived and died never hearing anything of the theology of the Old and New Testaments which included those who did not live in the geographical area of the bible.

Those billions of individuals who lived never hearing of the Christ aren't just cast away to God's torture chamber. The redemption provided by the Christ is much more than redeeming a relatively few people who have the advantage of being born into some semblance of Christianity.

The Jews were Gods chosen people before Christ. Since they found themselves unworthy, the gospel was taken to the Gentiles.
Our comand is to be soul winners.
You have been asked to provide scripture for your universal unitarian claims.
Name a person that was saved and never heard of Jesus.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Sam

Anyone here believe that The Church, The Body of Christ, is made up of both trinity and oneness believers?

I believe that the average Trinitarian believer often interprets the Godhead in a Oneness fashion. This is because they READ THE BIBLE. However, those who understand the Trinity and entirely embrace it are seeing God through the stained glass windows of Tradition. I'm not going to condemn all of them to Hell, but I do believe they'll have a few surprises upon entering those pearly gates! lol (We will too.)

[POWERUP]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I used to believe all trinitarians were going to hell. I no longer believe that, I believe both groups will have those who make it and those who don't.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by coadie

The Jews were Gods chosen people before Christ.

The key phrase there is "before Christ". Except for the relative handful which lived during Jesus' time, the Jews, nor any of the other billions of individuals who lived during the 4000 years before Christ, never heard of the Christ. Billions who have lived after the introduction of the Christ have never heard of the Christ either.

Since they found themselves unworthy, the gospel was taken to the Gentiles.

According to the bible, God had introduced a less than perfect and unworkable plan of salvation to the jews through Moses...it wasn't about them being unworthy, it was about a flawed plan. According to the bible He corrected that less than perfect plan with a new and improved plan 2000 years ago after billions of individuals, both jews and non-jews had lived and died apart from knowledge of the Christ.

Our comand is to be soul winners.
You have been asked to provide scripture for your universal unitarian claims.
Name a person that was saved and never heard of Jesus.

Moses never heard of the Christ and His plan of salvation which was introduced 2000 years after his death, did he?

The list would include billions who are saved and never heard of the Christ.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

You know CC1, you always have those trying to add to the Bible on both sides of a discussion-- lib and con.

Seekerman's statement makes me wonder how does he interpret the words of Jesus when He said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the ....."

Tell me how David accepted Christ, was baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues please. How on earth did David come to the Father through the Christ when the Christ was to be presented to the world 1000 years later?

It's not even important that I finish the quote-- I don't think the Bible is important to Seekerman.

Some of it is, some of it isn't. The bible sure ain't God in my life.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Tell me how David accepted Christ, was baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues please. How on earth did David come to the Father through the Christ when the Christ was to be presented to the world 1000 years later?



Some of it is, some of it isn't. The bible sure ain't God in my life.

I will hint at 3 answers. David was under the law and the sacrifice of animals by the priest pushed the sins to the cross for another year.
Jesus commented at the Crosss on fulfilling the actual covering for sins of saints in the past.
Just read the Psalms and David repents. cleanse me of my iniquity....
The old covenant ended at calvary.