I Corinthians 12:8-10

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

At first glance, I'm thinking Miracles are normally defined as an instantaneous event - though not always. Healings could be a slower process. I'll be right back with more on this subject.

Well .. you're late.

[Nahum]

Sorry, I was called away for a moment. Consider the following. Do you agree with these two paragraphs?

The gift of healings refers to supernatural healing without human aid; it is a special gift to pray for specific diseases.

Healing can come through the touch of faith (James 5:14-15); by speaking the word of faith (Luke 7:1-10); or by the presence of God being manifested (Mark 6:56; Acts 19:11-12).

[Nahum]

And what about this?

A miracle is the performance of something which is against the laws of nature; it is a supernatural power to intervene and counteract earthly and evil forces. The word miracles comes from the Greek word dunamis which means "power and might that multiplies itself." The gift of miracles operates closely with the power gifts of faith and healings to bring authority over Satan, sickness, sin, and the binding forces of this age.

Miracles can also be defined as supernatural intercessions of God. God exhorts us with energy to do something that is not natural or normal to us. Just as the ministry gift of miracles is the expression of prayer, so is the function of the Holy Ghost to direct our prayers (Romans 8:26).

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Sorry, I was called away for a moment. Consider the following. Do you agree with these two paragraphs?

The gift of healings refers to supernatural healing without human aid; it is a special gift to pray for specific diseases.

Healing can come through the touch of faith (James 5:14-15); by speaking the word of faith (Luke 7:1-10); or by the presence of God being manifested (Mark 6:56; Acts 19:11-12).

Before I comment on this I want to say to PP thanks for being open for discussion. I believe us lowly saints are worthy of much more than the one word responses. Some of which I have rec'd of late. HERE. DO AS I SAY DO is done. I also want to extend the same to Daniel. If I've missed you, sorry.




James 5:14-15 in my assesment has little to do with "touch" and much to do with "prayer" If its touch then how much different is it from the magic hair?

Speaking a word still lends to the notion that there is some conduit necessary for the miraculous.

The last reference is the most important. God heals because, 1. he can 2.he wants to. Can I blame my mother's lack of faith for her not getting healed of her deafness? She had hands laid on her many times. She's been in his presence many times. She's had words spoken over her many times. IN fact my former pastor told me it was to do with her having some "spirit" in her. HOGWASH! I believe God can and does heal. Why would anybody on the "witnessing the miraculous" thread have any reason to lie to me.

Our touching, words or faith has nothing to do with it. God heals to build faith not justify it.

If anybody cares to address the possibility that the "gifts" were medical knowledge given in a time when it was few and far between.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Kutless

Before I comment on this I want to say to PP thanks for being open for discussion. I believe us lowly saints are worthy of much more than the one word responses. Some of which I have rec'd of late. HERE. DO AS I SAY DO is done. I also want to extend the same to Daniel. If I've missed you, sorry.

James 5:14-15 in my assesment has little to do with "touch" and much to do with "prayer" If its touch then how much different is it from the magic hair?

Speaking a word still lends to the notion that there is some conduit necessary for the miraculous.

The last reference is the most important. God heals because, 1. he can 2.he wants to. Can I blame my mother's lack of faith for her not getting healed of her deafness? She had hands laid on her many times. She's been in his presence many times. She's had words spoken over her many times. IN fact my former pastor told me it was to do with her having some "spirit" in her. HOGWASH! I believe God can and does heal. Why would anybody on the "witnessing the miraculous" thread have any reason to lie to me.

Our touching, words or faith has nothing to do with it. God heals to build faith not justify it.

If anybody cares to address the possibility that the "gifts" were medical knowledge given in a time when it was few and far between.

It's not that a conduit is necessary, it is that this is God's way of doing things sometimes. Remember... we are talking about spiritual gifting. God imparts supernatural gifts to heal and work miracles. He imparts these gifts to imperfect people. So yes, sometimes we are the conduits by which God chooses to move. That, my friend, is bible.

If our faith, touch, and words have nothing to do with it - why are we commanded to speak to mountains, lay hands on the sick, and please God through our faith? Is God just playing mind games with us? I think not.

The bottom line is this is what He chooses. We can argue about all sorts of things and why they are necessary, but God stands resolute in all of our questioning waiting for us to realize that His good stuff comes to those who simply trust and obey His words and will.

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

It's not that a conduit is necessary, it is that this is God's way of doing things sometimes. Remember... we are talking about spiritual gifting. God imparts supernatural gifts to heal and work miracles. He imparts these gifts to imperfect people. So yes, sometimes we are the conduits by which God chooses to move. That, my friend, is bible.

If our faith, touch, and words have nothing to do with it - why are we commanded to speak to mountains, lay hands on the sick, and please God through our faith? Is God just playing mind games with us? I think not.

The bottom line is this is what He chooses. We can argue about all sorts of things and why they are necessary, but God stands resolute in all of our questioning waiting for us to realize that His good stuff comes to those who simply trust and obey His words and will.

so even though a conduit is not necessary God chooses a conduit. Right now I'm not believing that God gives certain ones special abilities or my mother would have been healed. Unless all these guys are nothing more than UPCI Benny Hinns.

I can please God thru my faith all day long and still have nothing to do with healing. Please connect metaphoric mountains with healing. I don't think God is playing games. I do think however that we cannot fully understand all things.

[Kutless]

If someone knows of someone that has this gift of healing please let me know. I'm serious!

My mom has been praying for healing for years. She is a conservative UPCIer. In church all her life and full of the Holy Ghost. If someone has this gift I will pay all expenses to get you to her!

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Kutless

If someone knows of someone that has this gift of healing please let me know. I'm serious!

My mom has been praying for healing for years. She is a conservative UPCIer. In church all her life and full of the Holy Ghost. If someone has this gift I will pay all expenses to get you to her!

I have been used in the gifts of healing, and yes it is plural in that there are specific aliments that people have authority over, but remember it is a gift of the spirit that flows through a believer.

You can't manufacture it, but I can be developed and as somone grows in their obedience and sensitivity to the Lord this gift will become more and more manifested in the life of said believer.

By the way where do you live?

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Kutless

so even though a conduit is not necessary God chooses a conduit. Right now I'm not believing that God gives certain ones special abilities or my mother would have been healed. Unless all these guys are nothing more than UPCI Benny Hinns.

I can please God thru my faith all day long and still have nothing to do with healing. Please connect metaphoric mountains with healing. I don't think God is playing games. I do think however that we cannot fully understand all things.

Have you considered it may not be God's will for her to be healed? As horrible as it sounds, that may be true. Her living for God and overcoming physical suffering may bring him glory.

What I mean is that her lack of healing may have nothing to do with the gifting and faith of preachers, saints or herself. It may not be what God wants. There is scriptural precedent for such a thing.

Metaphoric mountains? The idea Jesus was espousing was that our faith (which is given by Him) moves things - it changes things. If you disagree with the idea that God uses His body you are espousing a deity that is not active and alive in people.

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Have you considered it may not be God's will for her to be healed? As horrible as it sounds, that may be true. Her living for God and overcoming physical suffering may bring him glory.

What I mean is that her lack of healing may have nothing to do with the gifting and faith of preachers, saints or herself. It may not be what God wants. There is scriptural precedent for such a thing.

Metaphoric mountains? The idea Jesus was espousing was that our faith (which is given by Him) moves things - it changes things. If you disagree with the idea that God uses His body you are espousing a deity that is not active and alive in people.

Shouldn't have used the metaphoric mountain term I'm sorry.

Wonder if the last few guys that have addressed her hearing loss considered her inibility to be healed? Like the one that told me it was due to spirits? Or the ones that have led her on with "preacher speak" like "its coming" "its already happened just claim it" so on etc etc.

Why aren't the healing arts more prevalent in our times?