Your not Oneness but rather Patripassionist - Page 2

SRM · #11 06-30-2010, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

Jesus claimed to be the Messiah. The religious sect knew the Messiah would be God in human form. Isaiah 9:6 explains it beautifully. The Messiah would be called the Mighty God.

Do you know the difference between "mighty and Almighty"?
Your right,Jesus claimed to be the Son of God.He told us who God is in John 17:3..they might know THEE [Father} the only true God..

Jason B · #12 07-01-2010, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SRM

No..I am not Oneness..I believe there is only One God, the Father,He gave His only begotten who was the perfect sinless Son of God born of Mary to die for the sins of the world.Jesus never claimed to be God,yet people try and make Him so..

SRM,

Do you believe the all scripture to be inspired by God [66 books] ?

Do you believe that Jesus was speaking to John in Revelation 1:8-18?

Do you discount that Paul plainly and repeatedly referred to Jesus Christ as God several times in the epistles?

If Jesus isn't God, why is it acceptable for him to receive worship, would not all worship of Jesus be in direct violation to the first commandment, and therefore be heresy, blasphemy, and worthy of eternal hell fire?

pastorrick1959 · #13 07-01-2010, 02:48 PM

i am oneness ,, in am dont believe the isaiah passage says the son was god anyhwere in it . it says his name shall be called ,, big difference.

this has been an intersting post tho. prax and bro . blume believe god died on cross as they say both are god ,wait a minute they are onees but BOTH are god hhmmm. BOTH = 2 dont it?

mfblume · #14 07-02-2010, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SRM

No..I am not Oneness..I believe there is only One God, the Father,He gave His only begotten who was the perfect sinless Son of God born of Mary to die for the sins of the world.Jesus never claimed to be God,yet people try and make Him so..

Glad you know you are not oneness. Some who agree with your teaching think it is oneness.

But Jesus is Almighty God and said so in Rev. 1. Heb 1 also says the Son is God.

mfblume · #15 07-02-2010, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by pastorrick1959

i am oneness ,, in am dont believe the isaiah passage says the son was god anyhwere in it . it says his name shall be called ,, big difference.

this has been an intersting post tho. prax and bro . blume believe god died on cross as they say both are god ,wait a minute they are onees but BOTH are god hhmmm. BOTH = 2 dont it?

No, God did not die on the cross, and you are not oneness.

Humanity died, not Deity. If you are unable to distinguish humanity from deity and realize humanity alone died, then no wonder you think you are oneness when you are not.

JN Anderson · #16 07-02-2010, 11:00 AM

I haven't read all the posts. Not all OP's are patripassian. Interestingly enough Oneness historian Marvin M Arnold suggested that Oneness "Jesus Only" folks were patripassian. I think, though, he suggested it was a label foisted upon them by others. I agree with alot of Arnold but not all. I am OP and I believe the Son of God bled, suffered, died, and was resurrected on the third day. This simply points to the human aspect of God existing as man.

Anyone have thoughts on patripassianism being an accurate or inaccurate label? For example, some scholars have said that Nestorius was more orthodox than Nestorianism.

SteppingStone · #17 07-03-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

No, God did not die on the cross, and you are not oneness.

Humanity died, not Deity. If you are unable to distinguish humanity from deity and realize humanity alone died, then no wonder you think you are oneness when you are not.

New way to phrase the question:

Did Deity die on the cross? No

The original question that got me was:

Was the flesh of Jesus Deity? No

Trinity and Oneness Both have holes...

mfblume · #18 07-08-2010, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SteppingStone

New way to phrase the question:

Did Deity die on the cross? No

The original question that got me was:

Was the flesh of Jesus Deity? No

Trinity and Oneness Both have holes...

True oneness does not believe deity died nor that the flesh of Jesus was deity, though. What holes do you see in oneness?

SteppingStone · #19 07-08-2010, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

True oneness does not believe deity died nor that the flesh of Jesus was deity, though. What holes do you see in oneness?

Oneness claims the flesh was God.

When scripture says, "The Word Became Flesh," what words specifically? Was the flesh Deity? No.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

The reality is that the man Christ Jesus was a Declaration of God, not actually God.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus lets us know that the very Words he speaks are the actual Spirit, not his flesh. John said a sword comes out of his mouth in Revelations.

In short, The Word is God but the man was human..

mfblume · #20 07-08-2010, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SteppingStone

Oneness claims the flesh was God.

Not true oneness. I never believed that and I am oneness. That is what I meant by saying true oneness does not believe these things.

David Bernard wrote about the Oneness and always denied that flesh was deity.

Bernard had the best outlook on oneness that I read.

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In short, The Word is God but the man was human..

Right.