Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference

[JN Anderson]

Every church or Christian group has its story. Speaking of this Rodney Shaw says, "At the end of the day it is not 'What thus says Calvin, it's what does the Scriptures say?' Ths is not a conversation about you and Church History...you don't seek to be faithful to a tradition you seek to be faithful to this revelation ...[Scripture]."

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by JN Anderson

No, I saw the LOL. However, the response is rooted in literal ignorance. Not trying to be offensive just letting you know. I realize the versatility of joking as well.

If he's joking, how is the response rooted in literal ignorance? As soon as I saw the subject matter, I raced onto the thread to be a smart aleck. Most humor, especially sarcasm which that was, intentionally distorts reality in some way or another.

By the way...when I saw "Apologetics" on my course list in bible school, my first reaction was, "Huh?"

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by JN Anderson

seekerman, I am not sure what you profess but most of organized Christian groups are hard to track in a monolithic fashion. Even the early Reformation movement is very splintered. It is most important to follow the theology and doctrine of Scripture. The historic creeds and traditions noticed in history are definitely interesting though.

I profess salvation by faith's confession of Jesus Christ as Lord and savior.

It's not about about tracking organized Christian groups, it's about tracking salvation doctrines that some teach. For instance, oneness Pentecostalism, generally speaking, teaches that one must (no exceptions) 1) repent, 2) be baptized in full immersion with the baptizor performing the baptismal ritual correctly, and 3) receive the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

I've asked for quite a while now, but I fail to find such teachings before 1913. In other words, if oneness Pentecostalism teaches the true salvation doctrines, the church of the living God is nowhere to be found for 2000 years...until 1913.

Why was the church of the living God virtually invisible for 2000 years? We can find no one teaching such doctrines...until 1913.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by JN Anderson

Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference coming up in March, 2011 in Lufkin, TX. Attentive dates are March 4 and 5th.

Sessions on cultural and doctrinal apologetics with public debate between the Oneness and Trintiy worldviews. There will also be sessions on God, Evil, and Inspiration of Scriptures. David Bernard will also be lecturing on the Oneness of God. There will also be panel Q n A's as well.

If you can help sponsor this event or want more info contact Jorge ...Medina or myself. james4christ@gmail.com or faithdefenders@hotmail.com

Whatever.

These guys aren't interested in Apologetics and debate, they are interested in propaganda. David Bernard does nothing but regurgitate the same talking points like a political hack on the evening news. He wrote most of his "theology" with almost no theological training and then after having some training he clings to the same views.

The garbage that is placed under the umbrella of Oneness, which has its own set of problems, cannot be defended so it turns into a Scripture twisting propaganda party.

Might make for some interesting threads but I doubt it qualifies for solid Biblical exegesis or apologetics.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I profess salvation by faith's confession of Jesus Christ as Lord and savior.

It's not about about tracking organized Christian groups, it's about tracking salvation doctrines that some teach. For instance, oneness Pentecostalism, generally speaking, teaches that one must (no exceptions) 1) repent, 2) be baptized in full immersion with the baptizor performing the baptismal ritual correctly, and 3) receive the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

I've asked for quite a while now, but I fail to find such teachings before 1913. In other words, if oneness Pentecostalism teaches the true salvation doctrines, the church of the living God is nowhere to be found for 2000 years...until 1913.

Why was the church of the living God virtually invisible for 2000 years? We can find no one teaching such doctrines...until 1913.

The three points you have listed are not only in the Bible but also can be found in early church history.

Your assertion that the 'church of the living God is nowhere to be found for 2000 years' (Oneness Pentecostalism) cannot be proven.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Whatever.

These guys aren't interested in Apologetics and debate, they are interested in propaganda. David Bernard does nothing but regurgitate the same talking points like a political hack on the evening news. He wrote most of his "theology" with almost no theological training and then after having some training he clings to the same views.

The garbage that is placed under the umbrella of Oneness, which has its own set of problems, cannot be defended so it turns into a Scripture twisting propaganda party.

Might make for some interesting threads but I doubt it qualifies for solid Biblical exegesis or apologetics.

WOW!!!! Well said!!

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Whatever.

These guys aren't interested in Apologetics and debate, they are interested in propaganda. David Bernard does nothing but regurgitate the same talking points like a political hack on the evening news. He wrote most of his "theology" with almost no theological training and then after having some training he clings to the same views.

Is theological training a must for understanding the word of God? Since when? Is that something Jesus taught?

And since when have you become the judge and jury of the thoughts and intents of the hearts? Did God tell you that DB and company aren't really interested in apologetics but spreading propaganda?

The garbage that is placed under the umbrella of Oneness, which has its own set of problems, cannot be defended so it turns into a Scripture twisting propaganda party.

There is "theological garbage" under every umbrella and scripture twisting as well. Have you taken a look under your self righteous umbrella lately?

Might make for some interesting threads but I doubt it qualifies for solid Biblical exegesis or apologetics.

Each listener will have to judge for themselves if solid biblical exegesis takes place or do you know of a special panel that qualifies to declare what is solid and not so solid?

Do you ever have a twinge of the fear of God whisper from your conscience when you write a diatribe like this?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by notofworks

WOW!!!! Well said!!

You've got to be kidding me!

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

You've got to be kidding me!

No, I'm not kidding. Baron said it very well. Do you REALLY think there will be open and honest discovery at something like this? Baron's right...it's a propaganda session to reinforce the doctrine.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by notofworks

No, I'm not kidding. Baron said it very well. Do you REALLY think there will be open and honest discovery at something like this? Baron's right...it's a propaganda session to reinforce the doctrine.

Sessions on cultural and doctrinal apologetics with public debate between the Oneness and Trintiy worldviews. There will also be sessions on God, Evil, and Inspiration of Scriptures. David Bernard will also be lecturing on the Oneness of God. There will also be panel Q n A's as well.

Show me where the propaganda is in this list of topics?

You might agree with most of what is said at that conference but because you see DB's name automatically it becomes
"propaganda", "regurgitation", poor exegesis.