Wow.....I Found this Shocking and Sad

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Bro,

There is not an excuse for ignorance like Renda described-- not an excuse for anyone, regardless of their color.

At times, the people who have PERSONALLY given me the most heartache and grief have been hispanic and black people.


Some people, regardless of their color, just don't know how to carry themselves in a professionally acceptable manner.

If this person was my supervisor, I would have told her boss about her ignorance too.

You know Jermyn, I think I stand up for you more than you do!

Look...was this person out of line? Yep. But I think one of the most valuable things we can do, when someone misbehaves is ask, "Why?" And eventually, this kind of story ends up bringing out the worst, such as the dude who is obviously irritated that so many black people in the funeral industry...so many he can't count them...have said, "I don't want no white person touching me". THAT'S when *I* get irritated. This story is just gonna bring out the anti-black potshots! Has AllState ever considered WHY a black person in the south may say that??? And better yet, how many multitudes of times more have white people said, "I don't want no black man touching me!"?

Yes, this person expected people of her own race to help her out in a workplace battle against a person of a different race. Let's reverse the races in this story and admit that this same scenario, in reverse order, has happened WAY more.

But ultimately, I'm figuring that black people, in proportion (oh boy, I'm gonna catch it for this) have about 400 years of mistreating us before the score is even. So for now, I'll just let it slide.

In conclusion (Can the musicians please come), I don't think this story has as much to do with race as it does a person who was a poor employee in an office. I think you could substitute these people being relatives, rather than race (I thought since you were my cousin, you'd back me up against her) and it would be identical.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

You're off on this one.

I figured you'd think so. Renda, I haven't disagreed with you since I've been here! Well, except all those infractions!

But really, like I just said to Jermyn, I don't think it has as much to do with race as it does this company just having a bad employee trying to use anything she can to get an edge. It happens all the time in dog-eat-dog workplace. Heck, it happens in the church and at the General Conference election for General Superintendent. That's really the main point I'm trying to make.

I think it it had been cousins teaming up against you, it would have been the same thing.

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Yeah!!!! Let's run all o' them people outta this country!!! I'm tellin' ya what, them-ere black people just mistreat us whites, after all the nice things we done for'em!!!!! I just can't understand why them people ain't more grateful!!

I have no idea what you mean by this post!! I can give you atleast a dozen names and numbers of these folks who will tell you they dont wanna go to a white funeral home! Its just their preference !

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by notofworks

You know Jermyn, I think I stand up for you more than you do!

Look...was this person out of line? Yep. But I think one of the most valuable things we can do, when someone misbehaves is ask, "Why?" And eventually, this kind of story ends up bringing out the worst, such as the dude who is obviously irritated that so many black people in the funeral industry...so many he can't count them...have said, "I don't want no white person touching me". THAT'S when *I* get irritated. This story is just gonna bring out the anti-black potshots! Has AllState ever considered WHY a black person in the south may say that??? And better yet, how many multitudes of times more have white people said, "I don't want no black man touching me!"?

Yes, this person expected people of her own race to help her out in a workplace battle against a person of a different race. Let's reverse the races in this story and admit that this same scenario, in reverse order, has happened WAY more.

But ultimately, I'm figuring that black people, in proportion (oh boy, I'm gonna catch it for this) have about 400 years of mistreating us before the score is even. So for now, I'll just let it slide.

In conclusion (Can the musicians please come), I don't think this story has as much to do with race as it does a person who was a poor employee in an office. I think you could substitute these people being relatives, rather than race (I thought since you were my cousin, you'd back me up against her) and it would be identical.

Hey my ancestors were treated just as bad and I have documentation to prove it!

[rgcraig]

NOW - - the double standard is what gets weary.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by notofworks

You know Jermyn, I think I stand up for you more than you do!

Look...was this person out of line? Yep. But I think one of the most valuable things we can do, when someone misbehaves is ask, "Why?" And eventually, this kind of story ends up bringing out the worst, such as the dude who is obviously irritated that so many black people in the funeral industry...so many he can't count them...have said, "I don't want no white person touching me". THAT'S when *I* get irritated. This story is just gonna bring out the anti-black potshots! Has AllState ever considered WHY a black person in the south may say that??? And better yet, how many multitudes of times more have white people said, "I don't want no black man touching me!"?

Yes, this person expected people of her own race to help her out in a workplace battle against a person of a different race. Let's reverse the races in this story and admit that this same scenario, in reverse order, has happened WAY more.

But ultimately, I'm figuring that black people, in proportion (oh boy, I'm gonna catch it for this) have about 400 years of mistreating us before the score is even. So for now, I'll just let it slide.

In conclusion (Can the musicians please come), I don't think this story has as much to do with race as it does a person who was a poor employee in an office. I think you could substitute these people being relatives, rather than race (I thought since you were my cousin, you'd back me up against her) and it would be identical.

Well now it's ok for a black person to have an attitude/misbehave because you know we got to even the score. What a crock.

Treat all equal.


I never knew how white I was tell I moved to the south. I've learned bigots come in all colors.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I figured you'd think so. Renda, I haven't disagreed with you since I've been here! Well, except all those infractions!

But really, like I just said to Jermyn, I don't think it has as much to do with race as it does this company just having a bad employee trying to use anything she can to get an edge. It happens all the time in dog-eat-dog workplace. Heck, it happens in the church and at the General Conference election for General Superintendent. That's really the main point I'm trying to make.

I think it it had been cousins teaming up against you, it would have been the same thing.

My two employees are embarrassed (for her) and actually UPSET that she feels that way about it all. They are both way beyond that type thinking.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by allstate1

Hey my ancestors were treated just as bad and I have documentation to prove it!

Same here. We already done singed this-ere song.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Well now it's ok for a black person to have an attitude/misbehave because you know we got to even the score. What a crock.

Nope, didn't say it was ok at all. I said we should try to understand why and how this environment has been created and bring a little understanding to the table rather than back-and-forth complaining.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Nope, didn't say it was ok at all. I said we should try to understand why and how this environment has been created and bring a little understanding to the table rather than back-and-forth complaining.

I completely disagree.