Worst Spill In History!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The guy that posted about Padre Island-- I believe I read in one of his responses to me that I was making a big deal about nothing.

Someone did because I read it.

uh... I posted about the Ixtoc Oil Spill of 1980 and how that damaged the environment around South Padre Island and the the oil company responsible never paid a dime to the State of Texas nor to Federal government. AND, that was one of the largest oil spills in history - usually ranking 2nd but it has been moved to 3rd recently - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest...est_oil_spills.

The Deep Water Horizon spill that is ongoing in the Gulf is now the 16th largest spill in history.

JD, just because you can't get your facts correct doesn't mean that this isn't an oil spill. And just because you can't quite grasp the reality of the problem, nor place it within the geologic history of the earth doesn't mean sea turtles are not suffering.

It is petroleum. Petroleum is made up of the hydrocarbon remains of living tissues that are now dead and have undergone a polymerization process. That's the point you were struggling with earlier. You thought petroleum came from an oil company and was NOT a naturally occurring toxin.

That's what we were arguing about...

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by pelathais

uh... I posted about the Ixtoc Oil Spill of 1980 and how that damaged the environment around South Padre Island and the the oil company responsible never paid a dime to the State of Texas nor to Federal government. AND, that was one of the largest oil spills in history - usually ranking 2nd but it has been moved to 3rd recently - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest...est_oil_spills.

The Deep Water Horizon spill that is ongoing in the Gulf is now the 16th largest spill in history.

JD, just because you can't get your facts correct doesn't mean that this isn't an oil spill. And just because you can't quite grasp the reality of the problem, nor place it within the geologic history of the earth doesn't mean sea turtles are not suffering.

It is petroleum. Petroleum is made up of the hydrocarbon remains of living tissues that are now dead and have undergone a polymerization process. That's the point you were struggling with earlier. You thought petroleum came from an oil company and was NOT a naturally occurring toxin.

That's what we were arguing about...

Pel,

I never thought that the oil came from the oil company. Never said that.


This is the worst oil spill in American history.


Next time, I will clarify what I meant as the burden of communication is on me.



As for the other stuff you posted, I simply refer to the post that affirmed that scientists call oil spills toxic for the environment and what scientitsts say that oil contains.

If you like, I can break out my chemistry book again for you to get your facts straight....

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

This is the worst oil spill in American history.

From the source, it appears Lakeview Gusher in California back in 1909 was actually the worst in US history.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't think that's the same thing. This is in the ocean not the desert

Actually he did dump hundreds of millions of gallons of oil in the Persian Gulf to keep the US from landing on the Kuwaiti shores in addition to blowing up wells in the desert in 1991.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Pel,

I never thought that the oil came from the oil company. Never said that.


This is the worst oil spill in American history.


Next time, I will clarify what I meant as the burden of communication is on me.



As for the other stuff you posted, I simply refer to the post that affirmed that scientists call oil spills toxic for the environment and what scientitsts say that oil contains.

If you like, I can break out my chemistry book again for you to get your facts straight....

Go for it. But first, you really should work to try and understand what you are posting. Do you still deny that petroleum originates from living tissue? Do you still deny that bacteria find petroleum "nutritious?" Are you past the confusion you displayed over the difference between bacteria and "plants."

Dead, necrotizing and bacteria ridden material is usually very deadly to living tissues; but it's all organic in nature and part of the cycle of living and dying.

Living makes a mess. Dying makes a mess, but nature has ways of cleaning things up to eventually restore homeostasis. That's NOT justification for making a mess on purpose or through serious negligence, but it is the scope in which we ought to be attempting to understand what's going on in the natural world.

Petroleum is a natural substance that's been killing innocent critters since at least the time when the first saber tooth got its paw stuck in the Le Brea Tar Pits. That was deadly petroleum spill, but it really didn't represent an opportunity for political flacks to aggrandize. So, today we have Valdez and Deep Water Horizon.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by n david

From the source, it appears Lakeview Gusher in California back in 1909 was actually the worst in US history.

Due to the depths of the sea involved in this case, the exact total will probably always be a point of controversy. Some want to say that the larger estimates are warranted, but I dunno.

This spill is coming out of a single riser. The Gulf War spill (which wasn't dumped "in the desert" but was pumped into the sea) still plagues that region today (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War_oil_spill) but there is no significant human activity in the affected areas, so nobody cares much. Sad.

It's hard to see how this spill could have over taken the Ixtoc Oil Spill of 1979-1980. That spill went on unchecked for 10 months. It was in shallower water so perhaps it was also a shallower well and thus was under less pressure - dunno. PEMEX (the oil company responsible for the Ixtoc spill) wasn't and still isn't known for its transparency. There really is a double standard at work here in much of the criticism.

[oletime]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't think that's the same thing. This is in the ocean not the desert

It was my understanding it was off Kuaite in the water, most of it ended up on the shores of Saudi

[oletime]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Actually he did dump hundreds of millions of gallons of oil in the Persian Gulf to keep the US from landing on the Kuwaiti shores in addition to blowing up wells in the desert in 1991.

Thanks DB

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by oletime

Thanks DB

OT - you savant, you.

[oletime]

Originally Posted by pelathais

OT - you savant, you.